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Well, I found one copy of Ornette's "Foxhole", but couldn't find the 2nd copy I thought I had. But there are a couple other boxes I still have to check. Try to let you know soon... Don't hold up any other trades on my account.

Ditto, me and Bitches Brew too. I even 'got' On The Corner several years before I ever connected with Bitches Brew. I was into everything before it, and nearly everything after it (including all the heavy 70's Miles), before BB finally 'hit' with me.

Two of the more interesting versions I can think of (which I have) are... Charles Tolliver's "Live in Tokyo" (1973) -- kind of an uptempo verison, at least twice as fast as many of the typical versions. Sun Ra's "Sunrise in Different Dimensions" (1980) -- a very uptempo, almost dance-like verison, and easily the "happiest" verison of this tune I've ever heard - probably by a mile.

So I've got half-an-hour to kill today, while my wife is in getting her hair cut. So, I sit in the car, read the paper, and listen to a CD I haven't heard in a long time, probably over a year. The 1989 "McMaster" version of Hank Mobley's "No Room For Squares", which is the entire session of Oct. 2nd, 1963, with Lee Morgan, Andrew Hill, John Ore, and Philly Joe Jones. (Not any of the other sessions (without Hill) that got split across the original LP's, and now the new RVG CD's.) I've had this CD for 7 or 8 years. It was the first Mobley CD I ever bought. AND, until today, I've never really connected with it all that much. Sure, it's OK - how could it not be with Mobley and Morgan. BUT, over the years, I've often been board enough by this disc to only get part of the way though it, before deciding to switch to something else. It's just never worked for me all that much, what can I say?? AND, this being my 'first ever' Mobley album, I didn't buy any other Mobley for a really, really long time. In fact, not until a couple years ago, actually. (I got "Third Stream" and went: - and immediately bought every post-1960 Mobley disc I could find.) Still, I never could 'get' that first one, "No Room For Squares" (again, we're talking about the "McMaster" version, all one session, Morgan, Hill, etc...) Then, today, the fog lifted, and I finally GOT this session!!!. I'm not really sure why, now??? - other than maybe I was really listening to it with my "Andrew Hill" ears on today, cuz I've been listening to so much Hill recently. Or maybe it was from having listened to Jimmy Woods' "Conflict" so much (and having really been interested in "Conflict", cuz Hill was on the date, as much as anything). Maybe "Conflict" trained me to listen to the "Hill"-ishness in the Mobley/Hill date. AND, I found something new in Mobley's playing, which I had never heard before today. All these years, Mobley sounded a bit awkward to me on this date, and Lee Morgan did too (a bit). But today, Mobley and Morgan both sounded to me like they were playing on a Hill date (sorta), and playing really well (and interestingly too) within that context... ...much like Charles Tolliver doesn't sound at all like "Charles Tolliver" to me on Hill's "Dance With Death" and also that one side of Hill's "One For One" that he's on. I like Tolliver's playing with Hill, but it's so different than what I'm used to from Tolliver. In fact, I really didn't care much for "Dance With Death" at first (nor "One For One"), until I got away from expecting them to shine in terms of their "Toliver"-ishness. ========== This is so weird. It's not like Ornette, where nothing he did made any sense to me until about a year after I first heard him (about a dozen years ago, when I was back in college) - and suddenly the light bulb went off for me, and everything Ornette did suddenly made perfect sense. No, it was just this one album that never clicked for me - and then today it was like the best album I'd ever never heard before, but had actually heard many times before, kinda, but not really. Anything like that ever happen to you with a specific album??? Which one??

I've never heard either of the Leo Parker BN's, and sadly - they're a bitch to find, no??? Actually, if both of Leo's albums (on BN) would fit on one CDR, they might make a good Album of the Week - perhaps?? If someone who's actually heard these albums before thinks this is a good idea, post it to my "logistically challenging AOTW suggestions" thread that's in today's active topics.

I have burns of all of Hill's BN output that has been released on LP, but not yet on CD --- meaning "Dance With Death" and the 2nd LP from "One For One" (the one not on the Hill Mosaic set). My burns (which I got from some kind soul on the BNBB, I forget who - but I'm forever in their debt!!), anyway - my burns of these two albums came to me on two separate CDR's... ...BUT, I just checked - and much to my great surprise, both of these albums will fit (together) on the same CD!!! Together, they clock in at 79:09 (at least based on the times on my CDR's of them). That's just perfect to fit on one 80 minute CD. Might make a good AOTW, both "DWD" and "OFO" together, no??? Just another idea on the table...

How about Andrew Hill's "Tomorrow is Now!!" when it comes out in October???

Miles Davis, live in 1967??? There are several of these dates floating around (at least three different ones that I know of, and there are more I don't know), some with darn good sound quality and everything.

Of course, there's always Tyrone Washington's lone Blue Note album "Natural Essence", with Woody Shaw, James Spaulding, Kenny Barron, Reggie Workman, and Joe Chambers - from late 1967. It has been on CD (I think released in 1997), as a TOCJ from Japan, but is now out of print. Then, I would suggest we also include Tyrone's even more obscure album "Roots" as bonus tracks, on the same CD. (Both would fit on one CD). I don't have the specifics of "Roots" handy, but I think it was recorded in about 1971 or 72, and is Tyrone backed by a piano trio. It's a very "in" and "out" kind of date, and I love it.

How about both of Kenny Cox's obscure Blue Note albums, from 1968 and 1969 - Introducing Kenny Cox and Multidirection. (If you only clicked on the first one, there's an actual full AMG review for "Multidirection".) Both would fit on one CD (perhaps with at most 30 seconds of music trimmed off). Both feature Leon Henderson on tenor, who is Joe Henderson's brother. Both albums are direct decedents of the Miles Davis "Sorcerer"/"Neffertiti" style of jazz. In fact, if you aurally 'squint' real hard, you might even think it was the group from Miles 2nd classic quintet, maybe on a bad day. (I don't mean that as a slam, but rather that they really are trying to fit into the "Miles in 1967" mode, and they do it reasonably darn well, IMHO.) PS: Neither one of the Kenny Cox LP's have ever been released on CD, and I'm guessing they probably won't ever be either, sadly...

Hi all, I'm going to be in Seattle, WA and Portland, OR for a couple weeks in June (7th-24th). Any suggestions of stuff to see, places to go, things to do?? My wife and I are big on museums, historic architecture (late 1800's through the early and mid 20th Century, or (maybe) even more modern stuff than that!!), ethnic restaurants (Thai, Middle-Eastern, Mediterranean), and funky/eclectic neighborhoods. Jazz-related suggestions are welcome, of course, but we're mostly going to visit some relatives of mine, and see stuff. My wife's not into jazz too much, unless it's just a piano trio. (We are both, however, into classical music, orchestral or chamber.) Thanks!!!

I think I like that cover for "Sonic Boom" just as much as the one that came out on the Japanese CD. Here it is, if anyone need reminding...

Post your ideas here, in this thread. Since I'm the poll-meister, in a week or three, I'll take the top 10 ideas we come up with, create a poll, and we can vote on which one we want to do first. This will require some sort of CDR-tree, or at the very least a tape-tree. Could be a ton of fun!!! ( I've got some ideas myself, but wanted to get this thread started first, and not color the discussion by putting my ideas up front. ) PS: By "gray-market", I mean bootleg material (usually recorded live), and otherwise not available comercially - except maybe in Italy back in the early 90's.

RT, The cover you posted is from the (Japanese) CD-edition -- TOCJ-1620. The cover shown in the cover art book (GXF-3066) is from the vinyl version (Japanese King issue). Peter Thanks!!! Bet there are some others like that too. I rather like most of the vinyl "King" covers of what were (at the time) previously unreleased sessions. Can't help but wonder if a Japanese cover was ever produced for Andrew Hill's 1968 trio album "Chain", that went so far as to be assigned a King "GFX" catalog number and everything. If so, I have some silly hope that it could be used for when (if?) this session is ever released. For those who might not know, this session is still unreleased to this day. Kevin (if you happen to see this), if you ever talk to Michael about unreleased sessions, I'd really be curious to know if he thinks this one will ever come out??

"...before the series ended after the 1977 contest, largely because of huge increases in liability insurance costs..."

Best news story I've read in a week. Thanks!!!

I say leave it.

OMG!!! I would have bet $100 that Woods was no longer playing, or possibly not even with us any longer. Wonder why he didn't record more?? Woods' complete discography (including sideman dates) isn't any bigger than Tyrone Washington's, far as I can tell.

Damn, how could I forget to mention the completely alternate version of "Miles Ahead" from the Miles & Gil box. That's worth the price of admission all by itself!!!! (Or at least it is to me!!)

As I'm typing this, I'm listening to Herbie's album "Speak Like A Child" from the complete BN box, and the alternates are really giving me a wonderful different perspective on some of these tunes (there are 2 alternates for "Riot", and 1 for "Goodbye To Childhood", but the "Goodbye..." alternate has an incredible solo-piano section that is breathtaking!!!). The alternates from Miles Davis "Sorcerer" and "Neffertiti" sessions were pretty wonderful to hear, finally!! What are your favorite albums that have since been released with several great alternate takes??? - either as single CD issues, or as part of some big box set. ========== Maybe I should also clarify, to say that I'm talking primarily about actual alternate verisons of tunes that were released 'back in the day'. Not just unreleased tunes recorded at the same sessions, and included later as bonus tracks.

http://store.yahoo.com/graveyard/newage.html Don't ask me why the jazz section is on a link with "newage" in the name, but it is. Some of these titles are OOP now. Not incredible prices, but not so bad either.

Thanks, Soul Stream. It was a fun process - I hope others do the same, if they like. People are still voting!! "Grass Roots" pulled neck'n'neck with "Jacknife", but now "Jacknife" is back out in front!!

Another reason to delay in doing "Conflict" as an Album of the Week. Let's see if it doesn't come out in Europe sometime soon (knock on wood), hopefully by June or July.

Sorry, I meant to say Charles Davis...