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Update: Well, I'm most of the way through "Grass Roots" (finally!!) - and I'll go on record as saying the most unexpectedly good thing about these sessions (among lots of good things!) is the presence of Jimmy Ponder on guitar on the earlier session (the one with Woody Shaw). Ponder adds a 'tartness' that really gives that date an added depth and authenticity, given Hill's somewhat suprising foray into 'soul jazz'. Looking forward to the discussion!!!

Has anybody here actually taken the undergound tour?? I've read mixed reviews of it in two different guidebooks. Not "bad" reviews, but definitely "mixed".

SOAP!!!

I seem to recall that in the last season or so of "Kotter", Gabe Kaplan had actually left the show. So there was this show called "Welcome Back Kotter" that had no Kotter... That might have been it. I remember the setting not being in the school nearly as much, and more focus on the wife, and now that you mention it - less Kotter. Man, my wife got me hooked on American Idol last season, and now I'm just as hooked as she is with the 2nd season. Go Ruben!!!

Great suggestions everybody!! Thanks again!!!

Time to start registering as a dozen other 'phantom' board members, and stuff the ballot box!!! ( Just kidding!!!! )

Wasn't there a very short (and painfully unsuccessful) spin-off to "Welcome Back Kotter"??? Something like "Kotter's Back Again", something that wasn't set in the classroom??? Or am I imagining things again... Or maybe it was some other sit-com staring that same main guy from Kotter???

Thanks AB!! First I've gotta get "Lift Every Voice" out of my CD player (it's 'stuck', so I 'had' to listen to it 4 times this week!! ), and finally get to "Grass Roots".

By the way, I'm gonna set Peter up with a burn of the bonus tracks. Pete - it might take a week or so for me to get to it, but I'll see that you get these...

Man, I love this board. How many other jazz boards would have voted this much for Andew Hill and Larry Young?? - (and really 'progressive' Larry Young at that!!). I'm not saying there's any kind of bias for these more progressive players (here on the Organissimo board), but I do think we embrace these 'very progressive' but not quite 'avant garde' players more than most on the other jazz boards. Guess that's why I like it here so much!!

I listened to all the samples at bn.com, and went with the Ornette. (Probably won't matter in the end, since he's down in the polls.) Maybe "New York Is Now" and "Love Call" would be good to do sometime as an AOTW. (And really, there'd be plenty of justification for doing both a the same time.)

Another couple that I just thought of... Eddie Henderson Bennie Maupin And also (as was said above), I think Larry Young might have been a really interesting choice. I'm not aware of any organ players on STRATA-EAST, but that could have been a really interesting direction for the label. Oh man, what about John Patton!!! B)

Double Thread Don't post any more to this one, go here for the other one.... http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...f=19&t=1013&hl=

Anyone else think there's something weird about "The Creeper" from 1967?? It's got... Pepper Adams - Sax (Baritone), Brass Sonny Red - Sax (Alto) Miroslav Vitous - Bass Donald Byrd - Trumpet Chick Corea - Piano Mickey Roker - Drums I've only heard this one a few times (when I borrowed a friend's Byrd/Adams Mosaic), but I remember not being able to get my ears around it completely. I liked it, but there was also something strange about it that I couldn't quite figure out. Maybe if I heard it again, and more often. ( I plan to get the Byrd/Adams Mosaic someday, when I have the money to do it. )

I've gotta admit that for most of my 15 or so years of being interested in jazz (since I was in College back in the late 80's), that I've sorta mentally "blurred" (and often confused) all these labels, since they're all under the "OJC/Fantasy" umbrella. Help me sort them out, so I can begin to give each of them some of their own identities in my own mind, and perhaps more so in yours too... Here's what little I know about each... "Fantasy" - don't even know if this label (as a jazz label) has it's own identity, or it it's just the umbrella for everything else?? "Prestige" - What Miles and Trane (and probably lots of others) recorded on in the early and mid 50's. "Galaxy" - no idea. "Milestone" - What Joe Henderson was on in the very late 60's and early-to-mid 70's. "Riverside" - There's a bunch of Bill Evans on Riverside, I think in the late 50's??? "Debut" - no idea. "Contemporary" - seems to be mostly hard bop stuff in the 60's, maybe similar to Pacific Jazz?? "Jazzland" - no idea. "Pablo" - I should remember this, but I don't. Aren't there a bunch of Monk recordings on Pablo?? Obviously I need help... Thanks!!

Yes indeed, Barney Miller was incredibly underrated. I think it was every bit as good as M*A*S*H (the early seasons, before it got more serious, or at least less slapstick), or WKRP, or Cheers, or any of those kinds of many-characters-all-in-the-same-situation sitcoms. I don't think I ever saw it when it first ran, but rather I saw most of the episodes in syndication, in the early and mid 80's.

Maybe it's a generational thing (I was born in 1969), but personally I have never found much to like in "The Honeymooners". There are plently of other 'classic' TV shows that I really do like, but Gleason's character always just seemed (to me) like a overbearing, loudmouthed jerk. And his continual threats of "pow, right to the moon" aways seemed bad on about a half-a-dozen different levels. (Then again, I've never liked The Three Stooges either, so what do I know??) I do really like Abbott and Costello however!!! And those old Francis, The Talking Mule movies were a lot of fun too!! Anybody remember the old "Ma and Pa Kettle" movies?? I know, I know, these weren't TV shows, but I saw them all on TV when I was growing up in the late 70's and early 80's, on the "Saturday or Sunday afternoon movie" on the independant TV station in town (we never had cable TV). My Mom always had a peculiar fondness for Dark Shadows, that oddball soap opera in the late 60's, about a vampire. Kinda of the first "X-Files", in some ways, only without any budget!! It's been years and years, but I remember seeing a few Dark Shadows episodes in syndication back in the early 80's I think. Kind of had a charm all it's own. And, of course, there's Dr. Who. My favorite was always the 3rd Doctor, the one before Tom Baker (the most famous one). The 3rd Doctor was played by John Pertwee (see pic below). I always loved this era of Dr. Who because 1) I love the look and feel of TV shows from the late 60's and early 70's (despite the fact that I didn't even see all that much TV then, cuz I wasn't even born until 1969). AND, 2) the 3rd Doctor (Pertwee) always reminded me of my favorite uncle....

Call me crazy (lord knows I've been called worse), but lately I can't help but play these "what if" games. SO, here's the latest... Who could have been really GREAT artists to have recorded on the famed early 70's label "STRATA-EAST"??? - you know, the one formed by Charles Tolliver and Stanley Cowell in about 1969 or 1970. (And I mean, besides people who actually recorded on that label.) Note, the question isn't just "who would have been a 'good fit' on STRATA-EAST", but be a little creative - and think of some people who maybe turned out only one even slightly "STRATA-EAST"-ish sounding album in the late 60's or early 70's, and imagine what they might have done making a few albums with that vibe that STRATA-EAST seemed to have. "What if" they had gone that direction with they career??? - if only for a few years (say from 1970-1976). I'll go first, with a couple non-obvious choices... Andrew Hill, on the basis of 'side one' of the 2nd LP of Hill's 2LP set "One For One", the side with Charles Tolliver (tp), Pat Patrick (as/fl/bs), Bennie Maupin (fl/ts/bass-cl), Ron Carter (B), and Ben Riley (d). This one tiny bit of Hill (only three tunes!) has an 'attitude' and 'swagger' about it like almost nothing else in the entire Hill catalog. Also, in some ways I think Hill's "Lift Every Voice" has some of those same STRATA-EAST things going for it too. Is it really that hard to imagine a series of Andrew Hill albums in the early 70's, continuing with the kind of output he had in 1969 and 1970??? (Maybe "Dance With Death" and/or "Grass Roots" might also fit here too, but to a lesser degree.) Sun Ra, on the basis of Ra's work on "Lanquidity", which I'll admit wasn't until 1978 - but for the sake of argument, let's pretend Ra went through that phase a few years earlier. Another "Ra" album that kinda vaguely hints at the STRATA-EAST sound is "Strange Celestial Road" from 1980. Of course, Woody Shaw would be an obvious choice too, I think. (No elaboration probably needed.) What about Joe Henderson??? To me, it's not very hard to imagine him being on STRATA-EAST. Who else??? Maybe Donald Byrd could have turned out some albums (on S-E) that were better than his 'really-commercial' BN output, starting around 1972. PS: OK, from now on, in this thread "S-E" stands for "STRATA-EAST", if you get tired of typing it out.

If you wanna talk about a really crap TV show - my wife and I took a week to paint the living room and dining room last month, and while we were having lunch on a weekday, we saw an old episode of Buck Rogers (from the early 80's I believe), probably on the Sci-Fi channel. Uugh, what a stupid and horibly dated show that was!!!

I've listened to "Lift Every Voice" twice over the past couple days, and think it would have been an equally interesting album. And actually, I'm really finding all kinds of new things in "Lift Every Voice", every time I hear it. That said, I'm also really looking forward to "Grass Roots". And, given the duplication of a few tunes (between the two different bands on this disk), and the obvious opportunity to compare and contrast each of the players (Lee and Woody, etc...) should make for a good discussion, I'm hope.

Thanks A.B.!!!

The site doesn't appear to be the same as when Google cached it, but there are bits of an interview with Lee Morgan in here... By the way, the link for this article was (at one time anyway): http://www.trumpetjazz.com/artists.cgi?nam...ame=Lee+Morgan.

(And not too suprisingly) I probably ought to add Jimmy Wood's "Conflict to this list, for the contribution of Carmell Jones. Anybody know of any other somewhat 'progressive' dates that Carmell was on??? I can't think of any...

Everybody start listening to Andrew Hill - "Grass Roots" for my album of the week, which starts this Sunday Thanks!!!

Beautifully stated. I'm not much into really "out there" free-jazz (for instance, much as I love Sun Ra, the Sun Ra I love most is the 'middle-ground', where he's neither as 'out' as he can go, not as 'in' as he sometimes is either). Most Ornette doesn't seem nearly as structureless (and/or systemless) to my ears, as some other 'free' players, and therefore - he seems to fit right in with that same 'middle-ground' I like so much. (Most Andrew Hill is in that area for me too.)