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It was a used CD copy of the 1992 release (at DG), for $16.99 iirc.

Here's the DG description of it, btw, where I saw it used this morning and promptly started this thread (and it got snapped up there in less than 10 minutes, not by me unfortunately)... 2 amazing albums from the 2nd version of the Jimmy Giuffre 3! After working with his first combo of Bob Brookmeyer and Jim Hall during the late 50s, Giuffre hooked up with a pair of younger modernists – Paul Bley and Steve Swallow – reintroducing the piano and bass to his trio format, instruments that had been previously missing because Giuffre wanted to explore the possibilities of melodic composition freed from rhythmic constraints. With this trio, Giuffre was still working in that mode – as you'll hear on Bley and Swallow's incredibly free playing. The group's performances are not free jazz by any means, but they're a key link in that tradition – as Giuffre and crew do an excellent job of creating unconventional compositions, most of which feel like little sculptures in sound. There's a total of 20 tracks on 2CDs – and titles include "Cry, Want", "Trudgin", "Jesus Maria", "Ictus", "Sonic", "Whirrrrr", "The Gamut", "Herb & Ictus", and "Flight". Both records originally available on Verve, now repackaged by ECM.

So I don't think I ever realized that ECM () -- of all labels -- reissued at least a couple early 60's Verve dates (from 1961, to be exact), in the early 90's (1992, to be exact). ECM reissuing Verve?? Was this the only release of this sort that ECM did? Did ECM reissue anything else from any other labels? Is there a story here? Am I the only one here who didn't know this, and thinks it perhaps odd? - or at least a little surprising? Or is there some logic to this reissue I'm just not aware of -- and did ECM ever do anything else like this again? -- or before, for that matter. https://www.discogs.com/master/view/286302 Is these two 1961 albums...

Maybe, but why always do it yourself, and miss out on all the fun of letting Free Jazz lend a hand.

What the heck is a “Mega Jacket”?

I think it’s a new option they they’ve only been offering for a couple months or so. I’m also wondering if any of what you get is possibly “drop-shipped” — since they don’t offer any way to combine shipping with regular (traditional) Dusty orders.

https://www.dustygroove.com/preorders-info

Re: Cheadle’s Miles movie, I concur! Was it wonky? Sure! - hell, by BOTH definitions of the term ‘wonky’... 1) crooked; off-center; askew. 2) an enthusiastic or excessive interest in the specialized details of a particular subject. But man, there were a lot of factual details woven into that story — guys shooting at Miles thru his car door, for one. The ‘lost’ session from 1978. I forget all the rest, but like half a dozen or more oddball details that were all shit that really happened (but maybe not in the same year the movie purported them to have happened). A lot of that movie might not have been literally true, but there was a shit-ton of ‘truth’ in that movie — and I think Cheadle got to ‘an’ essence of Miles (if not ‘the’ essence), and a lot more than most biopics ever do.

Spinning the Iron Man disc from this set currently, and probably gonna spin all the rest before the afternoon is over. I'd almost forgotten how much I adore Iron Man -- not literally, but I think it's been close to 2 years since I've heard it, and I had sorta (slightly) forgotten just how utterly fantastic it is. I should really dig out my Dolphy Prestige box next, which -- confession time -- I haven't spent enough time with over the years, and a few of the sessions I don't think I've spun more than 2-3 times since I got it. Not for lack of loving Dolphy, but I tend to reach for my favorites too often, and not the stuff I don't know as well.

Anyone?

Up, for a lost cause.

So, I give — who is it?

There seems to have been a recent (2019) vinyl (alas) reissue of this album — with a hype-sticker that makes me think it might actually be a legit reissue. Might have even been some sort of Record Store Day sort of thing (not sure). Anyway, I sure wish this would get issued on CD. I’m not beyond buying things on vinyl, but usually only as a last resort (or only if I happen to see a really cheap LP copy, like for $10 or less).

Any other favorite remakes of this tune, by anyone — named or even not named Gil?

Any other notable Boykins-penned tunes of note?

A re-inquiry (almost 6 years later) about whether anyone’s ever recorded a version of Pierrot Lunaire with a baritone, tenor — or even less likely, a bass. As iconic a work as Pierrot is... (and I’ve always assumed(?) it was THE best known of Schoenberg’s works — not “most performed”, but “best known”) ...I would have thought Pierrot with a male lead wouldn’t be so outlandish.

Admittedly just as an excuse to bump this thread for more input, here’s the entire Dolphy disc I mentioned in post #1... If you pop out to it on the YouTube page, all the tracks are individually delineated too, for easier access track by track... https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ckiyp5WLPZg

I have all 13 volumes (18 CD's, if I just counted right) -- and it's largely a pretty brilliant series, even if the label-specific ones were of less interest (only because I already had about 75% of the material on them already). And the recent J-Jazz Deep Modern Jazz From Japan (BBE) series, which is up 3 volumes so far (5 CD's total) all have a considerably "spiritual-jazz" bent too, if not 100% -- and I could call equally fantastic.

Just saw a comment in a Reddit thread saying what a perfect tune "Stolen Moments" is -- and I had to agree, and was about to start a brand new thread here just like this one I found from almost 14 years ago. I also just confessed (there on Reddit) that much as I love it, I rarely cite "Stolen Moments" as one of my all-time favorite tunes. And then the more I thought about it, I realized it was because I have so few other versions of it in my collection. And I don't think I've ever heard it played out in the wild (live) -- not even once. Oddly enough, I think the Frank Zappa version (from 1988) was actually the very first version I ever heard or owned), probably around 1989 -- which would have been less than a full year into my earliest personal interest in jazz (the summer between my sophomore and junior years in college). But even now, the only versions I own -- apart from the version on Blues and the Abstract Truth -- are... Zappa, Booker Ervin, Lockjaw Davis (mainly because I have the Dolphy box), and the Ahmad Jamal -- and I think that's it, just those four. I looked carefully through the list of versions on Allmusic, and if I have any other versions, then they're not listed there. I have heard the JJ Johnson version (years ago), and that's an album I probably should have, but just never got around to. But that's the only obvious oversight I'm seeing, in terms of versions I should have, but don't. I'm surprised more piano-players haven't taken on recording the tune, at least on piano-trio and solo-piano dates. I agree with Jim's assessment (upthread) about players at jam sessions not wanting to take on tunes with lengthy heads -- but I wouldn't think that piano-players (in horn-less settings) would have that same bias. It would seem like a perfect vehicle show show off just how lovely a tune it is, and how beautifully it can be played.

The steepest rise seems to be between 1995-1997, but it continues at nearly the same upward slope thru about 1999/2000 even. So I’d peg the biggest upsurge as being the last half of the 90’s (that entire half decade).

The whole thing was pretty fantastic, sounded fantastic, and LOOKED fantastic. Such a rich and vibrant black & white capture — it really looked as good as many top-drawer b&w films. But bring on video, it really felt like you were there!! Even the segments with Sammy Davis Jr (on vibes, no less, and well more than just competently too!) “were a gas”, as he might have said.

Starting now!! This is the link I got in my email, which doesn't seem to be user-specific... https://vimeo.com/531096249/364d163e8a

Bump for a little more discussion. Dusty seems to still have this CD frequently for $7.99 (brand new!) -- and in stock right now if anyone's interested. For a release and band as utterly obscure as this, the liners are surprisingly voluminous! 6 pages of well-researched narrative about the band and players, their backgrounds, how they formed, band history (limited as it was), and what's known about them later -- and as many more pages of nice pictures too. All the best tracks (1-4) are posted in full above, now along with Track #8: A quite long alternate take of "Starship" (the master is Track 3) -- nearly TWICE as long (19 minutes), vs. 9 minutes for the master version, but IMHO the quality of the playing is just as good. The tenor player does a good job of turning up the heat slowly, which seems to be a pattern of his all throughout this album. This track hits a nice, rolling boil, but never more. One could argue it's too long, but I also see it as pretty impressive for an utterly unknown local band to sustain this quality of playing in a studio environment for almost 20 minutes. Especially they way they dial back the heat, and then turn it back up a bit -- back and forth several times -- as much as they do, for this long (and without an audience).

Can any of these be streamed after the fact? -- or do you have to catch them live on the "day of", or else they're gone? Seems to play from 3pm-5pm EST -- but I'm not sure if that's actually 3pm-5pm EDT (or if it really is EST, and therefore maybe it plays an hour earlier or later, depending on how that works -- I can't get my brain to figure that out quite yet this morning). If I could stream it all later, I'd love to hear all these programs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiko_Mariano_and_Her_Big_Band I've been looking for this on CD for about 2 years, but every option has always been from overseas, and about double or triple what I wanted to pay (factoring in shipping). It comes up from time to time on eBay, but nearly always only on LP. The two (actually three) CD variants have either of the first two covers above, and it seems "Toshiko And Modern Jazz" has rearranged the order of the tracks (but they are all there) -- so I guess I don't have any particular preference. Here's the first one from discogs (just once on CD, seems to be from 1998 out of Spain, if I'm seeing right blowing up the back cover)... https://www.discogs.com/Toshiko-Mariano-And-Her-Big-Band-Featuring-Paul-Chambers-3-Jimmy-Cobb-Sleepy-Matsumoto-Shigeo-Suzuki/master/1273553 And this second discogs listing actually has the third (LP-only) cover variation as the master listing -- called "Japan Jazz All Stars ‎– From Japan With Jazz" -- but this is where all the "Toshiko And Modern Jazz" listings are at (twice on CD, in 1987 and 2010, both out of Japan)... https://www.discogs.com/Japan-Jazz-All-Stars-From-Japan-With-Jazz/master/1389098 I don't suppose anyone here happens to have a copy they could offer?? I've got quite a pile of trade-bate I could pony up. Or leads to something halfway affordable would be most appreciated. I've never heard the entire album, but what I'm especially after is the big band version of the Charlie Mariano tune "Santa Barbara" -- from another Japanese album also recorded in 1964 (with Mariano and otherwise all Japanese musicians), called Jazz-Intersession (with no single leader listed, nor a name it was released under). It's a crackin' tune that just won't quit, with twists and turns aplenty!! I started a whole thread about this album when I first got it... Here's the version of "Santa Barbara" from Jazz-Intersession...