Harold_Z

I suspect that the actual reason for DEEP's thread getting the scissors was the fact that non Bluenote product was being promoted on the thread.

I'm trying again! I didn't get in on the last one because for me it was to soon on the heels of the one before - which I didn't have time to really analyze as much as I wanted to. That's all my fault, but I'd like to to give these discs more attention. Here's another try.

Yeah..with the collectables you get everything except the live Newport material (one lp side. The other side was Louis Armstrong) and the final (and weakest) date. Either way it's GREAT music and with the Mosaic you also get a very good booklet.

Can't we all get along??

Tell that shit to Jimmy Nolan !

I think Jim means using as the I chord. I always thought of it as a #9 chord.

If it's something I really dig and I think the cd will sound better than the lp. then I will buy a cd issue of something I already have on vinyl. Bonus material sweetens the deal and can make it irrisistable. Usually I find the cd sound IS an improvement - but not always. Used lps are a real crapshoot. I'll only buy them if the price is right.

Just a quick post after one time through and without yer going into the usual track to track detail yet. I recognized the Duke (Hodges), Trane, Betty Carter and I think a couple of others, such as Woody Shaw early on in the disc and Kenny Burrell later on. Overall I liked most of what I heard, including the things I had no idea of. I hope to get back with a more detailed track by track soon. Oh yeah...the opener. Was that Jacquet?

Just back on now for me at 8:30 pm. It's been out all day for me, both at my home pc and at work.

Lon and Muskrat pretty well hit it for my money. I've read several bios AND auto bios, listened HEAVILY to Pops since I was around 10 years old, seen him perform live several times in the early 60s and everything pretty much shakes out to him being a remarkably great personality. A great artist AND a showbiz cat simoultaneously at a time in American pop culture when you coulb truly be both. Tragic figure ? No - I don't see that at all. To the contrary, I think he knew the poverty and social situation he emerged from and I think he took great pride and satisfaction with having triumphed over that situation.

I'm really sorry to hear this news, Rooster. I hope things go well for you and your family and my prayers are with you.

SAY IT AIN'T SO JOE !!

You might want to check Jazzology's catalogue for the Ma Rainey. http://www.jazzology.com/index.php

All the Bechet/Mezzrow King Jazz sides are available in great sound on Jazzology.

MAN! CAN THESE GUYS TURN A PHRASE OR WHAT ?!!

Wilton Felder sounds great on it too.

WHERE'S SARGENT GARCIA ? I WAN'T TO CARVE MY INITIAL ON HIS STOMACH!

I CAN'T READ... BUT I HAVE BAD EAR.

OK ... It's a toss up ...YES...if the drummer has absolute concentration and can keep things straight through a barrage of wrong notes and bad time he can dominate the situation, but so can a good bassist with equal concentration overcome the drummer (if he can muster the necesary volume and energy to cut through the muck)....and then FOR HOW LONG? All night? I know after awhile I'm scratching my balls and thinking about the next taste, and eyeing the chick on the 3rd barstool. Awhile back in life I noticed whenever I went to see guys play, if there was a terrible player, he had all my attention. "What the hell is this guy doin?" "A little late that time BOZO" "Why doesn't somebody SHOOT this MF?" In short..I came to believe a band sounded as good as it's weakest player.

Nice post Jim.You nailed the JB/Sly dichotomy plus all the other things you referenced are right on the mark too... Sly hit big with DANCE TO THE MUSIC and I DO remember being in my car and hearing this and digging the hell out of it. WHOA ...who's this? It was original but also included elements of the past ...JB (with changes)...a show band vibe that was around at the time and THAT HORN LICK from "Harlem Shuffle". I loved it. floored. Anybody remember seeing a Mike Douglas show where Sly and Mohammed Ali were both guests? Back in the days when TV talk/variety shows were truly unscripted. I caught a rerun on late night TV not too long ago, but I DID remember seeing it the first time around. The show did little credit to Ali. He was pretty hostile..he criticized Mike Douglas basically for being white and having a tv show. Mike was insulted and showed it and Sly stepped in and said what I thought were appropriate things - the voice of reason in this circumstance. Ali then attacked Sly for daring to disagree with him publicly. Sly came back at ALi but maintained his cool. Ali did not (and did not come off well). Mike Douglas was pissed but cool and the segment ended. Revealing TV - something we've lost. But my point with all of this is that AT THAT TIME (when was it? I can only estimate around 1970) Sly was basically a positive cat. Look at the lyrics and titles...Stand, You Can Make It If You Try, Life, Fun, Everybody Is A Star.... Then came RIOT and SLY is delivering what to me sounds like a smack version of THANK YOU FALLETTIN ME... (...and smack version or not...it's good) . Anyway...this thread got me going a little. Last night I burned my RIOT lp to cdr and have listened to it 3x since. I was in CD World today and saw "FRESH" for $6.99 and scored. I dug up all my SLY lps... I dug up all my GRAHAM CENTRAL STATION lps.( Jim S - have you heard Patrice Banks singing "I Can't Stop The Rain"?) My intent is to eventually burn them to cdr.

I did a jazz gig years ago with a VERY strong Newark Tenor player. The leader on the gig was the drummer - and he was weak. The pianist ...well...relatively "OK" changes but bad time. The Tenor player and I locked during his solos and we kept the time happening. At one time the Tenor player walked over to me during a tune and said in my ear "I hear you MF. KEEP that shit happenin' ". (He was a cat that when he spoke you heard a lot of MFs and SHITs.) This drummer didn't have a bad concept - just didn't have the chops to play what he heard and the time was erratic. Not to long ago I did a gig with a drummer that played so badly I broke a rule I had set for myself. The rule was not be a prick to a bad player. My reasoning was that bad vibes would only make a bad situation worse. Well..this guy played so badly that my theory went totally out the window. I was a seething volcano of bad vibes. I couldn't speak to the guy...I couldn't even look at him. I wanted to really verbally MAUL him..AND I'm not really that kind of guy. Each break I headed for the far end of the bar. I said not one word to this guy all night. I went to the band leader (lame ass) and said "Pay the guy and send him home. We can do this a lot better with NO drums." No dice. He's worried that the club owner will complain about being short a piece. NOTHING -NO AMOUNT OF STRONG PLAYING- NOTHING could save this situation because this drummer couldn't even listen. I mean if you have NO chops at all and just play the minimum in time...OK...we can get through the gig...but if there is not even the slightest concept of time WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING BEHIND A DRUM SET!!! AHHHH...I feel so much better....

No, I'm pretty square. Keep it that way... WORD

Does this have anything to do with those MATRIX MOVIES ?

So let me get this straight...... I'm getting the picture now. I post on this board - thinking I'm posting in this community of jazz people. Then I come to find out that it's really ME and maybe ONE OTHER PERSON ???

No apology necessary Jim. I knew what you meant and I know you are not infected with the socialy pathological disease of BASSISM.