Brad

Rooster (or B3er), is it possible to organize most of the choices into some sort of multiple choice poll that people could then vote on and give Michael the results that way. Otherwise, you get a lot of scaterred "how about this" or "how about that" kind of thing.

The same can also be said for the Bird set, Bird's Eyes. The quality can be uneven.

I'm fine with it and would leave it up to Jim. I'm also willing to help burn a few and to help defray the costs of doing all this.

I assume there's no reason to buy this if you happen to have the 10 cd box they issued a few years ago. That box include the JATP material and that's not obviously here and with the non-inclusions mentioned above, if you've got the box, I don't think it makes much sense.

I have the Navarro and the Coleman Hawkins set and recommend them. One caveat, however, on the Fats box. He did a fair bit on Savoy and there are the BN session so if you have those, you'll be duplicating a good portion of this box. Regarding the Hawkins, a portion is Keynote, which is very hard to get on LP and not that easy on CD either. Mercury reissued them both in Japan. So you should definitely get this one. You didn't ask but I'll recommend the Bebop box. Outstanding. I also believe that people on this board and the old BNBB liked Hitting on All Six, a history of jazz guitar. For the price, you can't do too much wrong with these. I'd like to get the Stitt but unfortuanately, I have more than half on separate cds. Also on my wish list are the Wardell Gray and the Johnny Hodges.

Not keeping Wells is a wise decision. He had back surgery the year he played with the White Sox and then with the recurrence of what happened in the World Series, it's a smart move. I have a bad back and it amazes me that athletes can play, despite having that problem. To trade Soriano would be nuts. I've loved him ever since I first saw him. I've hoped that he'd get a bit more patient at the plate. Maybe he will. He's got loads of talent and unless you're getting something really good in return, don't do it. Regarding Johnson, the plan is to play him at first with Giambi the full time DH. I've got my doubts about Donnie. Sometimes the lesser know players who know how to teach are the successful coaches. But I'm glad to see Wille as the bench coach. He ought to be a manager. I've always been a fan of his, ever since the Yankees got him in a trade for the Pirates. I wish the Mets had looked at him last year.

I thought Colon was close to signing with the White Sox or is that off now. Over in the NL, looks like the Phillies got a good deal. I have to laugh when a guy likes Drayton McLane says we have to cut back. Doesn't he own half of WalMarts? Owning them is like having a legal license to steal.

That is disgusting. And what makes it worse is it's a Keynote. Jesus Christ.

Someone posted the following on Mike Fitzgerald's Hard bop group on Yahoo and I thought it might be of interest. The 15 Euro price must be per cd, not the whole set. Dear All, After searching the net, I found an address for Philology Records in Italy and have been corresponding with Paolo Piangiarelli: he has sent me a list of 11 Volumes in the 'Brownie's Eyes' series, which he says can be obtained from him for EUR15 (fifteen Euros) plus postage plus 4% VISA fee. But the significant part of his message concerns the track and personnel listings, which are as follows (apologies for the length of this post but the material is obviously of interest to many of us): BROWNIE'S EYES, VOL.1 W 1000 LATE 1955 or EARLY 1956 quintet Rollins, R.Powell, G.Morrow, M.Roach TAKE THE " A " TRAIN 15,11 DARN THAT DREAM 4, 37 NICE WORK IF YOU CAN GET IT C.B.'s home, probably 1954 practice tapes ( on CHEROKEE ) in eight sections 13, 33 C.BROWN on piano, at home , 1954 ALL GOD'S CHILLUM GOT RHYTHM 3, 57 IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU 4, 47 THEY CAN'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME 8, 43 NIGHT AND DAY into I'LL REMEMBER APRIL 7, 38 BROWNIE READS 1, 20 TOTAL TIME 79, 17 " BROWNIE'S EYES VOL. 2 W 1001 same quintet as first 3 tunes of vol. 1 BLUES 14, 12 JORDU 17, 29 C.B.' s home prob.1954 PRACTICE TAPES on : DIZZY ATMOSPHERE 17, 29 rehearsin at home 1954 STRIKE UP THE BAND 3, 36 jammin' with ERIC DOLPHY, HAROLD LAND in Washington, date unknown WAHOO 14, 03 at home, date unknown SOMEBODY LOVES ME 2, 02 INDIANA 1, 50 NIGHT IN TUNISIA 3, 20 UNKNOWN TUNE 1, 49 AU PRIVAVE 3, 17 C.B. on piano total time 79, 19 BROWNIE'S EYES, VOL.3 W 1004 late 1955 ( or early 1956 ) date and club unknown (see personnel on W 1000 track 1 ) Intro by Max Roach into Get Happy 23:06" Waltz hot 3:45" date & place unknown, Jammin' with Eric Dolphy Fine and dandy 21:50" date & place unknown ( Brownie on piano ) Ow 3:46" date & place unknown ( fragment 1 ) Fine and dandy 1:06" BROWNIE'S EYES, VOL.4 W 1005 late 1955 or early 1956 ( same as track 1 of vol.1 ) Delilah into 13:34" Lover 14:58" date & place unknown Unknown tune 11:24" Barbados 6:19" date & place unknown ( fragment 2 ) Night in Tunisia 3:25" date unknown, Brownie's home Brownie reads 1:32" BROWNIE'S EYES VOL.5 W 1006 date & place unknown ( Jammin' with Eric Dolphy ) Crazeology into 12:34" Old folks 2:21" Deception 15:40" date & place unknown Billie's bounce 2:33" All the things you are 8:01" Lady be good 9:30" date & place unknown ( fragment 3 ) Unknown tune 1:08" BROWNIE'S EYES VOL.6 W 1007 BROWN / ROACH QUINTET ( H.LAND ON TENOR ) NEWPORT JAZZ FESTIVAL JULY 16, 1955 1 - Announcement by Willis Conover 2 - DAAHOUD 6,55" 3 - Announcement by Max Roach 4 - A GHOST OF A CHANCE 3;50" 5 - Announcement by C.Brown 6 - JAQUI 7,40" 7- I GET A KICK OUT OF YOU 11,00" 8 - TEA FOR TWO 10,00" (* ) 9 -Announcement by Willis Conover ( * ) jam session with the Dave Brubeck quartet plus Chet Baker, Paul Desmond, Gerry Mulligan, C.Brown.... BROWNIE'S EYES VOL. 7 W 1008 BROWN / ROACH QUINTET ( S.ROLLINS ON TENOR ) plus Sonny Stitt, alto on (* ),Bob Story, mc CONTINENTAL RESTAURANT, NORFOLK,VA JUNE 18, 1956 ( +) ( WIOR RADIO BC ) 1 - JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS 21, 29" 2 -YOU GO TO MY HEAD 8,10" 3 - GOOD BAIT 16,39" (+ ) BROWNIE DIED ON JUNE 26, 1956 BROWNIE'S EYES VOL. 8 W 1009 same place and date 1 - ONE FOR MY BABY 3,55" 2 - SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME 3,51" 3 - WHAT'S NEW 3,48" 4 - THESE FOOLISH THINGS 3,30" 5 - I GET A KICK OUT OF YOU ( * ) 22,44" BROWNIE'S EYES VOL. 9 W 1010 THE COMPLETE CLIFFORD BROWN IN SWEDEN '53 STOCKOLM, NOVEMBER 12, 1953 1 - INDIANA 10,45 (C.B., JORGEN RYG, tpt, unknown alto sax, unknown tenor sax, Jorgen Bengtson, piano, Erik Moseholm, bass, unknown drummer ) STOCKOLM, NOVEMBER 15, 1953 2 - STOCKOLM SWEETNIN' 5,27 3 - 'SCUSE THESE BLOOS ( I ) 2,12 4 - FALLING IN LOVE WITH LOVE 5,20 5 - LOVER COME BACK TO ME ( I ) 5,03 6 - 'SCUSE THESE BLOOS ( II ) 4,27 7 - LOVER COME BACK TO ME ( II ) 5,20 (C.B., Art Farmer, tpt, Jimnmy Cleveland, Ake Persson, tbn, Arne Domnérus, cl, as, Lars Gullin, bar, Bengt Hallberg,piano, Simon Brehm, bass, Alan Dawson, dr, Quincy Jones, arr, cond ) BROWNIE'S EYES VOL. 10 W 1011 THE COMPLETE BEE HIVE SESSION '55 FIRST PART CHICAGO, BEE HIVE CLUB, NOVEMBER 7, 1955 1 - I'LL REMEMBER APRIL 31,19 2 - CHEROKEE 20,04 ( C.B., tpt, SONNY ROLLINS, NICKY HILL, ts, BILLY WALLACE, piano, GEORGE MORROW, bass, MAX ROACH, dr ) BROWNIE'S EYES VOL. 11 W 1012 THE COMPLETE BEE HIVE SESSION '55 SECOND PART 3 - WALKIN' 20,32 4 - WOODY'N YOU 13,24 5 - HOT HOUSE 12,26 SAME PERSONNELL AS FIRST PART

Thanks Soul Stream.

I live in the New York area and listen to both these stations. However, I find WBGO not as polished as WKCR (except for Kenny Washington; he's real good). WKCR has Daybreak Express in the early am with some good hosts, Birdflight devoted to Bird, Out to Lunch, a 12 -3 program and then a 6-9 pm program with some very good hosts, called Jazz Alternatives, where they mix it up. They also have special birthday celebrations where for 24 hours straight they just focus on the music of a paricular artist. They just had one for Brownie and the next one is November 21 for Coleman Hawkins. These birthday broadcasts are always good. For area listeners, WKCR has just been restored to full power. Their antenna was connected to the World Trade antenna so it's been very hard to hear them for the past couple of years. They've just built a new one downtown and they sound good again. Thank god.

I had a problem with airborne a few years ago and they replaced it. I guess I'd have to consider myself lucky since then (although I think I got mine UPS after that). If I'm ordering a soon to be OOP item, I'd make sure that it's UPS before they send it out. Because if it's lost, you're SOL, at least as far as getting the item.

I think we're comparing to apples to oranges if you're talking about Bobby Timmons v. Walton here. I was trying to frame the issue in terms of their association with Art Blakey on Blue Note. After Benny Golson reformed the Messengers in 1958, Bobby Timmons was an integral part of the sound that they produced on over 13 albums until his departure in 1961. Heck, he was an integral part of the hard bop sound with lasting contributions like Moanin' and Dat Dere. His was a funkier, bluesier sound. His sound contributed to some great live albums. Art liked to change direction and the group that he formed after 1961 with Cedar Walton, who was on six BN sessions and four of what are now Fantasy labels, produced quite a different sound, a more advanced sound. So I think it's wrong to lump them together when speaking of Art's BN dates since by the mid 60s Timmons was long gone. I wouldn't say one's better or worse, just a different sound. If pushed to pick, I'd pick Bobby from that period. I just like the way he plays and naturally love that style. With Cedar Walton, it takes a while for me to warm up to him. I've gotten to like it some but not as much as Mr. Timmons.

SS, do you have a link. I'll see if I can pick this up tomorrow.

To say it's a must date might be a little strong. I like some of his work with Benny Golson better but it's a very good date. One of those albums that you could say is the apotheosis of hard bop. I know there are those who hate it. Just to hear the other side, I'd like to see their views. Actually, back at the BNBB there was a quite lively discussion when the RVG was first announced.

This is probably a dumb question but how the heck do you do that. Thought the Milt one was really neat.

I see that Fantasy has this coming out tomorrow but AMG had very little information about it and the Fantasy web site just had performers and songs. There was a Prestige LP, Living Soul, from 1966 recorded at Count Basie's in Harlem in 1966. Musicians are the same but the songs are different so I'm assuming that this is previously unreleased material. At any rate, does anyone who has the LP have any thoughts about this cd.

With Jim doing the next one, if I get one track or less than one on these tests, I'll probably be getting less than that with #4

I say go for it. But I'm partial to Buddy. It's still available. See Cd Universe, which has it for around $11.

For those so inclined, Volumes 2 and 3 of Dexter's Nights at the Keystone are currently going for $102.50 each on Ebay. Vol. 1 is pretty cheap in comparison $20.50.

Guy, That depends on your point of view and your leanings. Of all pianists he he had in his Blue Note period, I'd have to go with Bobby T. I like that funky sounds. Cedar Walton is, obviously, quite different. It's obviously a different sound but my favorite versions of the late 50s to early 60s JMs is when Bobby Timmons was there.

RT, Do you know who's on it. Like to get an idea. What else they're doing besides. No decent info on AMG.

Oops, forgot to mention the one that BFrank pointed out. That's a good one two. While we're at it, how about The Master on Muse. Maybe, Savoy will reissue it, now that they own that label (I think).

Maybe they've been released a while ago but some of them could stand to be reissued, if you don't have access to the JRVGs. The Elmo Hopes should be RVGed, for example.

I'm not buying that stuff about Art at all. From all that I've read -- we all know what happened -- he died in her apartment from more or less natural causes, if you consider the way he died "natural." To raise that without substantiation is pretty libelous.