Brad

I think we're comparing to apples to oranges if you're talking about Bobby Timmons v. Walton here. I was trying to frame the issue in terms of their association with Art Blakey on Blue Note. After Benny Golson reformed the Messengers in 1958, Bobby Timmons was an integral part of the sound that they produced on over 13 albums until his departure in 1961. Heck, he was an integral part of the hard bop sound with lasting contributions like Moanin' and Dat Dere. His was a funkier, bluesier sound. His sound contributed to some great live albums. Art liked to change direction and the group that he formed after 1961 with Cedar Walton, who was on six BN sessions and four of what are now Fantasy labels, produced quite a different sound, a more advanced sound. So I think it's wrong to lump them together when speaking of Art's BN dates since by the mid 60s Timmons was long gone. I wouldn't say one's better or worse, just a different sound. If pushed to pick, I'd pick Bobby from that period. I just like the way he plays and naturally love that style. With Cedar Walton, it takes a while for me to warm up to him. I've gotten to like it some but not as much as Mr. Timmons.

SS, do you have a link. I'll see if I can pick this up tomorrow.

To say it's a must date might be a little strong. I like some of his work with Benny Golson better but it's a very good date. One of those albums that you could say is the apotheosis of hard bop. I know there are those who hate it. Just to hear the other side, I'd like to see their views. Actually, back at the BNBB there was a quite lively discussion when the RVG was first announced.

This is probably a dumb question but how the heck do you do that. Thought the Milt one was really neat.

I see that Fantasy has this coming out tomorrow but AMG had very little information about it and the Fantasy web site just had performers and songs. There was a Prestige LP, Living Soul, from 1966 recorded at Count Basie's in Harlem in 1966. Musicians are the same but the songs are different so I'm assuming that this is previously unreleased material. At any rate, does anyone who has the LP have any thoughts about this cd.

With Jim doing the next one, if I get one track or less than one on these tests, I'll probably be getting less than that with #4

I say go for it. But I'm partial to Buddy. It's still available. See Cd Universe, which has it for around $11.

For those so inclined, Volumes 2 and 3 of Dexter's Nights at the Keystone are currently going for $102.50 each on Ebay. Vol. 1 is pretty cheap in comparison $20.50.

Guy, That depends on your point of view and your leanings. Of all pianists he he had in his Blue Note period, I'd have to go with Bobby T. I like that funky sounds. Cedar Walton is, obviously, quite different. It's obviously a different sound but my favorite versions of the late 50s to early 60s JMs is when Bobby Timmons was there.

RT, Do you know who's on it. Like to get an idea. What else they're doing besides. No decent info on AMG.

Oops, forgot to mention the one that BFrank pointed out. That's a good one two. While we're at it, how about The Master on Muse. Maybe, Savoy will reissue it, now that they own that label (I think).

Maybe they've been released a while ago but some of them could stand to be reissued, if you don't have access to the JRVGs. The Elmo Hopes should be RVGed, for example.

I'm not buying that stuff about Art at all. From all that I've read -- we all know what happened -- he died in her apartment from more or less natural causes, if you consider the way he died "natural." To raise that without substantiation is pretty libelous.

Just added two Thelonious Monk Cds and a John Hicks Trio cd. Let me know if interested.

The Jazz Review, the British jazz journal which I think is the best magazine around has been having a special offer for several months (it changes each month) for new and current subscribers. This month you can buy two proper sets for 25 Pounds, which is not a great savings, but it's ok. It translates into about $42. I'm not sure how much shipping is to the US but it's probably not extravagant. The number to call is 0131 467 34660. If interested in subscribing, you can email them at jazzreview@excite.com No, I don't work for them. But it's a very good magazine and this is a good offer. This applies to 49 proper boxes, like the new Stitt, Beiderbecke, Slim Gaillard that Lon recently reviewed, Johnny Hodges, Bebop Spoken Here, Charlie Ventura, Illinois Jacquet, etc.

If you like Byrd and Pepper, you might enjoy Pepper's 10 to 4 at the Five Spot, which is easily available as an OJC. It an often complaint, but Pepper doesn't get enough attention. There's a reissue on Quicksilver, which you can obtain directly from their web site, which is really vintage Pepper called Urban Dreams. Any Pepper in my book is worthing checking out. And if you can also get your hands on the Pepper Adams Quartet on Mode, that's a definite keeper as well.

I have all of his BN stuff except Preach Brother, and also have Texas Twister. Shoutin is my favorite of the BN stuff. The reason I don't have Preach Brother is just that it did nothing for me. I thought it was the weakest of his output and Sonny Clark seemed out of place to me. The best, but not BN, is Texas Twister. Great cd.

Get this box! You'll never regret it. There are sessions with Bill Watrous that I love, as well as a session with Milcho Leviev and Jack Sheldon where they do Night and Day that is just superb; I've never heard it better. Plus there are two sessions with Sonny Stitt. The only downer were the liner notes by Art's wife. I didn't think they were very informative. But that's a really minor complaint. There is really some great music here.

I think their necessity to sign the free agents you mentioned is probably the reason they did it. But I'm wondering if they did it to send a message to Manny. I mean they could have told teams, GM to GM, that they'd like to do a deal, without doing it so publicly. I mean how many teams are going to submit a waiver claim. The amount of teams who could do are very small. Whereas, if they trade him, they'll probably have to eat some salary. Ghost, I think the Yankees probably need a lot. They're going to have to get a couple of starting pitchers, a third baseman (Boone's awful, in my book; I'd send him packing), a right fielder and relief help to get them to Mariano (of course, everybody needs that). There's been some talk around of moving Boone to second and signing Tejada or getting ARod for third and moving Soriano to right field or center field. They probably won't get ARod; the Rangers are looking for pitching and Yanks have none to give. As for my team, the Mets, on second thought, let's not go there . Their needs are great and I don't see any quick fixesl, although Fred Wilpon says he wants to be a playoff contender next year. Yeah, and I'd love to play like Bird

All I can say to that is "Damn, you did have a hell of a day." Way to go

Today: Yeah, let's all drive to Chuck's House! Tomorrow: Chuck, you home? Chuck, aren't you going to answer the door. Strange, the place looks like Chuck went on vacation.

Bud Powell - Scene Changes Presenting Ernie Henry Junior Mance - Blues Groove Shelley Manne and His Men - Yesterdays Wes Montgomery Boss Guitar

What Kenny said but when you order that box, you might also want to get the Proper box Bebop Spoken Here, since if you like the Bird box, you'll want to know more about that era.

So far, it looks like I'm the one from the forties. I didn't get hit with the bug until 4 years ago. When I was a kid back in the 60s, I listened of course to a lot of Stones, Beatles, etc., anybody who was popular at the time. At the same time, becuase we lived overseas and I didn't have access (or the money) to a lot of records, I listened to a lot of my parent's records, which was lot of Broadway material, tin pan alley and of course classical. I knew the show tunes (Pajama Game, West Side Story) backwards and forwards. Anyways, as the 70s approached and I went to college, I was getting bored with some of the 70s stuff I was hearing. Rock was losing a bit of meaning for me and because I loved some of the early Stones (their later stuff didn't do that much for me), I started looking into the blues. Fast forward into the 80s I was listening more heavily into the blues but by the time the mid 90s came around I was getting bored with its sameness although I still loved Howlin' Wolf. One day I was reading a magazine article about Duke and I had never really listened to jazz and since I was bored with the blues, I bought a couple of things: Duke, Bird and maybe something else. I liked it and one day went to the local record store and picked up the RVG of Moanin'. When I heard Moanin' it was like my head exploded and the rest is history.

I think you guys (except the former GHF, of course) are somewhat off base on this. This is a very good date. I'm glad to have gotten the 2 cd version. It's very mellow and bluesy but it is "the Blue Hour". I've played this over and over and have enjoyed the heck out of it. Even if you don't like the Sounds, Gene Harris is great here. I love GH Plus One but for my money this is a wee bit better. I had the old one cd version but go the 2 cd version as soon as it came out. Willow Weep for Me is to kill for .