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We do, but won't, but we certainly will when/if appropriate, as Scientlogy is considered a religion, and as you note, we don't allow political or religious discussions on this board. However - the topic of the original post was an HBO show, not the religion itself. So...fine line. Very fine line, already being teetered on.

There's other people I think about first.

Ok, that's a biteable price.

WHOA. Any indicator what postage will be ordering from there?

Real guy, apparently, played on the Blakey Bethlehem big band album, and can be found getting copyist credits in years past that, this when being a copyist could bring a good living.

I don't own any of these Verve and Columbia records, but where would you say Body and Soul and Songs for Distingué Lovers rank compared to the two you mentioned. One big draw for me would be the presence of Ben Webster. All or Nothing At All was, for me, her best Verve album, and Bex Webster is all up in in it. Those other two you mention are good too, but All Or Nothing a All is just better in every way, IMO, of course.

I'm trying to recall what kind of a mouthpiece came with that kind of a cover, not a Straython, no room for the sliding wedge...anyway, it looks like a gun, playing for keeps indeed, to what degree to you suspect the intentionality of that?

I dunno, ask yourself (or at least the near-broken woman therein, wherever that might be) how you'd have felt about Columbia putting you on the cover as an attractive, still romantically viable woman after years of Verve putting you on the cover as a brokensaddespairing loser of a tragedy, and then ask yourself if Satan would really be that kind before cashing the check, euthanasia or public execution? Wouldn't you for maybe once like what you saw other people seeing you as, one last wish, just a pretty song-record with a pretty cover before I go? As well also, would this not be the first legitimate CD (or any?) issue of that "Fine and Mellow" after 57 years after the fact, hello talk to Satan about THAT, that one's easily attributed there? I's still very SatanSucpicousMinded about two CDs worth of alternates, still not feeling that one, but the original album itself I have come to believe to somewhat understand what it must have meant to Billie to make that kind of a record at that point in her life, not just musically, but as a person who, like most all people, sometimes need to escape from the escape from the reality which seems to offer no escape. Billie Holiday as some kind of a sick cult-of-victimology icon may indeed be the road to hell, literally, but remember, there's a fork in that road somewhere, and it's probably an exercise in character building to stand there for a while more than a second or two before clucking about the mortality of foolishness and all that such. Now having said that, All Or Nothing At All = great record, great music, Lady In Satin = sad/touching curiosity, but yeah, ok, what else, hello that's so lame to only go there with it, if all that was needed was great music, sell all your records and go forth into the world to don't believe it until it happens in your immediate presence in the realest of times, obviously no camel going through that needle (whatever else might), nor not too many aye-ayecers either.

She was born in 1915. It took me a minute or two to feel Lady In Satin, but once felt, never unfelt, even though it starts at the peak and evens out from there. No idea what outtakes from the session would be like, the proposition is scary, but who knows? But this... Hello. Never can say goodbye.

One more - Don't grab your coat now. Don't grab my coat either. Norman Granz say one more. He must be lookin' at Lionel Hampton.

No sweat. Don's got your back. or

Your answer can be found here: http://rateyourmusic.com/list/fixbutte/norman_granz_jazz_at_the_philharmonic_and_related_stuff/ Also note that ARCO was a renaming of the Manor label. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manor_Records

I'll take the DL, as long as the USPS don't run the internet that day?

Parallel thread - Inside Jazz That Is Really Free Jazz In Disguise. My first submission would be the opening chords to or pretty much the whole first side of Afro-Eurasian Eclipse. The collective pitch center and tonal color of that last Ellington bands comes closer to something like Attica Blues or There's A Trumpet In My Soul than I think has generally been noted. Of course, that could be said of most any Ellington band on any given night, but those last ones...that shit was THICK, ok, thicker than the note on the paper. First time I noticed that, it was a revelation, really, how there was this whole other thing going on in jazz, a whole other, deeper lineage of sound, not just "tone" or "personal sound" but actually bare-bones vibrational SOUND...a lot of things started falling into place once that light came on. Ellington was hip to this from waaay back, of course, but jeez, first time I heard Afro-Eurasian Eclipse, it was like, yeah, ok, some of this is just an old band not being particularly aggressively tended to, but some of it was like, shit, Duke ain't deaf, if he didn't want this TYPE of sound, he'd get some changes mad, and he didn't. So yes, and yet again, Duke "Money Jungle" Ellington, Stealth Motherfucker Hall Of Fame.

Cocktail lounge?

Should we rename this the Don Schlitten Prestige Memorial Thread?

I did, condition as described, so replacements didn't magically walk in during the 11 days between shipment and processing by the USPS. The box, fwiw, was not nearly as pristine as DG boxes normally are - and I've gotten more than a few lately. Multiple dark marks. And I thought a bit about your thought about DG possibly missing a box. I have a hard time picturing it, because it seems to me an operation like theirs should be very well organized - order pulled, packaging material, printer/pc set up, and lots and lots of USPS cartons to put the sealed packages into for pick up. And for a company like theirs, wouldn't they have a postman coming by for pickups? They must ship a dozen or multiple dozens a day and would have them ready to go in those plastic trays. Glad you got your records! Also, I too have been seeing an uptick in the number of packages that appear to have gotten some bruising along the way. I wonder if this, as well as the appearance of slow movement through the system, is a function of Media Mail. Seems Media Mail is the most likely to take those weirdass detours and have those longass hotel stays in the facilities. First Class/2nd Day/Etc., not nearly so much. I would like to have a week to see how all this works...something tell me that Media Mail shipments go into the "work this when you get EVERYTHING else done, and remember, no OT!" pile. It sure seems that way sometimes. That and the possibility that the Media Mail pile has to reach a certain size before it gets moved. Seems that way, no idea if it actually works that way. Probably not, as I've had Media Mail packages get here quickly, But it's a crapshoot. I mean, I use it with DG, because it's by far and away the least expensive rate, but it's also one of those "you get what you pay for" things. That became apparent a long time ago. That was what finally swung me around to Amazon Prime, free 2nd Day, and I can tell you that the local USPS humps to get those things out. They'll even send a route out early dedicated to Amazon & other expedited items if the workload dictates it. My regular mail comes between 4-5 PM, but I've gotten Amazon packaged at 10 AM. I asked the guy one time, what's up with this, he said, Amazon, they say 2nd day, they MEAN 2nd day, we gotta get 'em out. So, Media Mail probably means...you'll get it when we can get to it.

Did you get your records yesterday, Dan?

PM sent on: Barry Altschul - The 3Dom Factor - (TUM) w/Irabagon & Helias Billy Bang - Da Bang! - (TUM) D Griffin, A Bemkey, H Greene, N Taylor-Baker Charles Gayle Trio - Look Up - (ESP) Pharoah Sanders & The Underground - Spiral Mercury - (Clean Feed) Wadada Leo Smith & Louis Moholo-Moholo - Ancestors - (TUM)

Would not a shorter list be one of websites that do not have comments? Is # of comments something that's drives ad rates on sites these days, as opposed to (or in addition to) hits?

I've known Dan a long time, consider him one of my oldest and most honest cyber-friends. And he's more than capable of fighting his own battles. He doesn't need to "listen" to me, If he wants to vent, fine by me. If he's wrong, he's wrong. and if he's right, he's right. This started out as a simple vent and a chat, not a trial. Nothing here is litigable There's no jury, no judge, just a package and a tracking history and personal experiences that cause us all to speculate as to possibilities and probabilities. Entire species of indeterminate outcome have been constructed from less, and not just on our planet! Fine by me if you want to vent as well, just don't call me into it specifically unless I equally specifically call you by name as being 100% correct about the matter in question Please show that consideration, not just to me, but to all of us. As it stands right now, we got one guy with a vent, and another guy looking to pick an old scab about some NFL thread that I can't even remember. I'm not particularly concerned with either of those dynamics to be honest with you, so I'll ask everybody to conduct themselves like the psedo-gentlemen we all know we all are. What we do incontestably have is a guy who was late getting his records. No matter what caused it, that's what really sucks, not getting your records on time always sucks. That last thing there, that you can quote me on, and if anybody disagrees when you do, call me into it ASAP, because we will have a Wrongperson in our midst, and about that, there is but one verdict - WRONG!!!.