Guy Berger

The reason I find this premise so distasteful is the assumption of the author and, obviously, others by their lists, to associate fame and celebrity with importance. Maybe some people ought to find out about the contributions of people like Benjamin Banaker, Garrett Morgan, Louis Lattimer, Hannibal, Elijah McCoy, Madam Walker, Nefertiti and other great queens and kings of Egypt, Timbuktu and other African nations, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Anwar Sadat, Toussaint L'Ouverture, Marcus Garvey, Jomo Kenyatta, Kwame Nkrumah, Madam Walker, Marshall "Major" Taylor and too many more to list. I don't think Nasser and Sadat were black -- they were north African Arabs. Guy Both of them said they were. Sadat addressed the Black Caucus and affirmed this and even promised financial contributions to the caucus shortly before he was killed. Regardless of what they said, if they were black there are a whole lot of black people around the Mediterranean and Middle East. Guy

That's true, but completely tangential to cloning. Well, if certain animals have genetic traits that make them better suited for providing meat, then cloning is a more effective way of replicating those traits than breeding. Guy Discussing animal husbandry is not tangential whatsoever. Unless scientists are ready to grow steaks in the lab, they will be growing them on cows in an agricultural setting. This points to a more industrialized food chain with more potential for corruption on a number of levels, genetic, political, and otherwise. We have seen some of it already, with the reluctance to affix labels describing the products as such. I don't see many folks squeamish about the labels affixed to alcohol bottles. Groundskeeper Willie, I don't understand what you are arguing here. You can have cloned animals treated humanely; you can have non-cloned animals treated inhumanely. The too issues are not related. Guy

The reason I find this premise so distasteful is the assumption of the author and, obviously, others by their lists, to associate fame and celebrity with importance. Maybe some people ought to find out about the contributions of people like Benjamin Banaker, Garrett Morgan, Louis Lattimer, Hannibal, Elijah McCoy, Madam Walker, Nefertiti and other great queens and kings of Egypt, Timbuktu and other African nations, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Anwar Sadat, Toussaint L'Ouverture, Marcus Garvey, Jomo Kenyatta, Kwame Nkrumah, Madam Walker, Marshall "Major" Taylor and too many more to list. I don't think Nasser and Sadat were black -- they were north African Arabs. Guy

Let me guess, she took the Evan Parker? Guy

As far as I can tell, this album will feature Torn, Tim Berne, Craig Taborn and Tom Rainey. I'm only familiar with Torn from his contributions to Bill Bruford and Tony Levin's Upper Extremities. Guy

I've been enjoying Suite Africaine, a recent acquisition. As John B says upthread, it's a very strong album. I think it's of about the same quality as Carnet de Routes, so I wouldn't recommend one over the other. (And you probably don't "need" more than one of these.) One exception: SA is about 12-15 minutes longer than CdR. Guy

I think it's interesting that "Paraphernalia" swings in a more traditional/conventional way than much of this group's regular material -- perhaps that's due to George Benson's presence. Live versions were much more free. Guy

That's true, but completely tangential to cloning. Well, if certain animals have genetic traits that make them better suited for providing meat, then cloning is a more effective way of replicating those traits than breeding. Guy

Noj and I were discussing the excellence of the Phoenix/Dallas game. Dirk pulls it out with a second left... Iverson had a GREAT game with the Nuggets! Guy

Happy birthday, Alexander. Guy

Yes. Though I must say I find "clone-ophobia" to be strange. Guy

<shrug> Cloned or not, it's just meat. Guy

I was really into them for a while in college. My favorites are The Sky Moves Sideways and Signify. I haven't heard anything later than Stupid Dream, which disappointed me. Guy

Here's one of mine.

I recently saw a really good episode from the 5th season -- "Darmok" -- I thought it was powerful. Guy Yeah, "Darmok" is a good one. Did you know that it's Paul Winfield playing the alien captain? I'd never heard of Paul Winfield before watching this episode. Guy

I recently saw a really good episode from the 5th season -- "Darmok" -- I thought it was powerful. Guy

I do -- so do Jazz Kat, Nate Dorward, Ron Lyles and kh1958. Guy

On Thursday, Phoenix visits Dallas and Utah visits San Antonio -- western conference powers battle it out. Unfortunately only the Phoenix game is televised. Guy

I listened to the Boogaloo Joe Jones and was somewhat underwhelmed. I was expecting something "greazier". Guy

Props to Bertrand for putting together the composition list, and for Michelle for correcting the errors in the previous version. Guy

I picked up #6 before a flight yesterday and finished it today. I enjoyed it a lot, though I wonder how she is going to tie up all the loose ends in "just" 700 pages. I was reading up on the response to this series by critics like Harold Bloom. Hilarious. Guy

Too bad about Yao getting injured -- he was having an MVP-caliber season. (Sorry Shaq, you're old and decrepit.) Also, Philly has won two games in a row since Iverson left. (Against terrible teams.) Guy

I've never seen this movie. Guy

It's good to have you around, MG. Guy

It's a very good album but my least favorite of the 2nd quintet recordings. I think Miles would "figure things out" on Filles de Kilimanjaro. Guy