Guy Berger

I love David Murray’s cameos in the 3rd disc (CURVES OF LIFE) - he’d like the post-1980 Mobley, makes good music as soon as he shows up

I thought the album with Bill Evans wad quite boring

This one is also quite good

listened to Memphis Underground for the first time. Not sure if it’s a guilty pleasure or just regular enjoyment but Sonny Sharrock, hot damn

Because I think someone older than ~60% of Americans might not be a great authority on what is dated/non-dated

Per what @Brad and @Larry Kart said, the legacy is simultaneously more nuanced and more ugly than merely going along. The Vichy gov't had its own policy priorities and had some leeway to defy and/or supplement German initiatives when it wished to do so. They (or at least many of them) viewed murdering of Jews as a feature, not a bug, of Nazi domination - hence much of the subsequent revulsion and shame. Also, the early Furst books *are* highly recommended if you like high quality fiction.

This album is quite good.

ECM is apparently issuing a late 1990s gig of the Bley/Peacock/Motian trio. Woohoo!

To circle back to the original post, Branford Marsalis’s comment re Miles was dumb as f—-

Exactly, having a cardboard cutout of John Coltrane in your living room doesn't mean John Coltrane is actually standing in your living room

Not only that, he aggressively edited their compositions.

Perfectly written. The marketing pitched the guy as some sort of demigod but the boring truth was that he was just really, really, really good. BTW one weird thing with Branford’s assertion is that the albums Wayne, Herbie and Tony recorded during that period without Miles are out there, they’re public record! Miles’s albums sound quite different. (And FWIW, more adventurous than Wayne and Herbie’s.) Regardless of whether you think the Miles or sidemen album are better, it’s pretty clear he wasn’t just coasting on their contributions.

I think this is a case of BM taking a genuine fact the Miles mystique sometimes downplays (that after 1955 he had the luxury of hiring THE best talent), and twisting it into something 100,000,000 times more ridiculous than the mystique.

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I'd put GRASS ROOTS ahead of DANCE WITH DEATH, if we're talking AHBN Phase 2

I'd be curious (if you're willing to share) what your age is, relative to the median ages of the US (~38)

I think most people, listening to it, would almost certainly say "that's old people music" or maybe "that's old white people music" (not to say Anglocentric!)

When I was a kid I was into Transformers (the 80s animated show + Hasbro toys) and got really mad at my mom when she told me that they would eventually be forgotten by our culture.

My guess is both sound equally dated to most listeners today. An 18 year old when The Wall came out is 58 years old today. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A lot of the pieces that entered Pink Floyd's "book" in 1967-69 were avant-garde space rock jams (though I'd say that only by 1969 did they start doing justice to them) - barebones set pieces that gave the band plenty of room to experiment with sound and noise in a non-melodic way. These guys might have been influenced by free jazz, but the links that were explicitly cited were to Stockhausen and to European free improv (specifically AMM). I'm not a huge fan of watching movies of concerts, but I actually think LIVE AT POMPEII (from 1972), and the lengthy versions of "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" and "A Saucerful of Secrets" - give you an interesting perspective on why they weren't just influenced by avant-garde music but by avant-garde performance art more generally. Also, the guitarist is David Gilmour. The same guy who is known for tasteful, melodic, bluesy guitar solos on their megahit 1970s albums. Yes!!! The UmmaGumma live album is a convenient, "widely distributed" way to sample this music, and is far from bad, but that if you want the *best* live Floyd from this era, that's not the place to go. I like these versions fine, but they are both vastly inferior to the versions of this song the band was recording in 1969-70.

I think this is a good place to start Or this (especially the last three, lengthy tracks)

If you try acting sad, you'll only make him glad

Would be interesting to hear modern-day Murray in this kind of space...

Yes, especially live music from 1969-72

Oh no! Heal quickly Pharoah!