Just listening to this excellent show. Too bad those LPs didn't sell too well. I remember picking up the 'Civilization' LP when it came out (an unexpected bolt from the blue after all those fusion albums) and played it endlessly at the time. Heard live at this time, Williams was also furiously loud - as you say in the programme, very much a conscious decision. Caught him backstage after a 1989 performance and he was sat on a step looking absolutely exhausted, sweat pouring off. Wouldn't give me the time of day.