Chuck Nessa Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 Stash, in circa 15 years in business, never paid royalties to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 (edited) I bought that Open Door material awhile ago and found it very hard to listen to. It seemed even worse to me than the Benedetti Mosaic, which I found listenable and pretty enjoyable. I have the Philology series in toto and there is some great stuff on there. I didn't find the sound that bad. Probably my favorite live session that comes to mind is the material from the Finale Club in LA which is on Volume 18 (848). Of the Jay McShann period, there's that Early Bird although I think Spotlite put that out and has the McShann Orchestra from 1940 in Wichita, Kansas and in 1943 from NY plus 1 cut (but it's Cherokee!) from Clark Monroe's in 1941. There's also another cd from Decca (Grp) called Blues from Kansas City. That one shouldn't be too hard to get. A lot of this features an altoist, now largely unknown named John Jackson, who sounded a lot like Bird. In fact some of the credits from this period sometimes say Charlie Parker or John Jackson, that's how close they sounded. Edited May 21, 2003 by Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted May 21, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 Brad (or others), Any other recommendations on Philology? I see Cadence has a bunch of them ... Also, anyone know when the Verve master takes set is coming out? Thanks Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 Another Birdland date 3/31/51 with Bird, Diz, Bud, Potter & Haynes. I first had this on a Saga lp, then a Columbia lp and it must be out 15 ways now. Don't ask when it will be available but, Uptown will has reached an agreement with Lorraine Gillespie to issue a May 1945 Town Hall concert with Diz, Bird, Al Haig, Curly Russell, Max Roach with guest appearances by Don Byas and Sid Catlett. The program is astounding, and it is very well recorded. Both Town Hall and Carnegie provided professional recording services, and this comes from the original acetates recorded at the concert This comes from the time between the Diz/Bird Guilds and the KoKo session. I think it is the earliest recording of Max with Bird. My lord!!!! I had no idea that those tapes existed. You just gotta give it to us!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom in RI Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 Sorry to have left out this suggestion last night (it was in my office) but Uptown's "Boston 1952" features good broadcast sound, complete songs, Symphony SId, and, of course, the great notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 Brad (or others), Any other recommendations on Philology? I see Cadence has a bunch of them ... Philology 80 is one of my favorites. It contains the Bird with the Kenton band sides and Bird being interviewed by Paul Desmond (both mentioned previously by ghost of miles). There are quite a number of Philology cds. I don't have too many because I have a lot of the material on other cds and lps, but there are others with Bird recordings well worth having and hearing. 5/18 has 2 fine tunes recorded in Lennie Tristano's studio with Bird, Tristano, and Kenny Clarke drumming on a phone book (not surprising that Lennie didn't have a drum set in his studio). 849 has four Clyde Bernhardt jump blues sides with Jay McShann and Bird which were on broken glass based acetates and were repaired and made listenable. (These are probably more of interest to Bird fans who have almost everything else.) 853 has the 1951 concert with Woody Herman's Herd, which I like, but not as much as the Kenton sides. Much of what's on Philology has been reissued elsewhere, so collectors with a lot of Bird recordings have to be wary of duplication, but newer collectors can find a lot of great music there. While I'm here, I'd like to mention Sweden 1950 - Complete Bird in Sweden (Definitive) which contains some fine live Bird and a great version of "Body and Soul". Storyville has issued most, if not all, of this material on cd, and Spotlite has issued it on 2 lps (long out of print) if you have an aversion to Definitive's reissue practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Up for air.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 i listened to charlie parker at storyville today. i enjoyed it and the sound was quite good IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 bump. Considering "Complete Royal Roost Live: Recordings on Savoy" Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 chuck, how would a label like STASH generally go about operating? They were investors who knew jazz collectors with the necessary tapes in their private collection-- mastered them onto cd, and sold them in back-end catelogues and stores? and then end product- retaining all the profits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 my rec would be the "bird's eyes" series, volumes 1 through 1 million. from what ive heard phil woods and chan ran, or provided source tapes for, or had some connection to the label...(is this correct?) i dont have all of them in fact i feel bad i never bought any way back when tower stocked them all- but i have a few and they are really amazing, esp the one with the gene roland big band with bird and don lanphere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 (edited) Very strange. I do recall posting something on this thread in the past, but post 32 was NOT made by me. Edited: Now, the current post 32 WAS made by me. Earlier, for some reason, Paul Secor's post 34 was under my name on 32. Edited November 30, 2008 by John L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Englewood Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Very strange. I do recall posting something on this thread in the past, but post 32 was NOT made by me. Spooky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 BTW, anytime bird is playing with frank morgan : you know youre on the right track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 (edited) bump. Considering "Complete Royal Roost Live: Recordings on Savoy" Thoughts? That's this one, not this one. ... or maybe visa versa. I could do without the 50-odd Symphony Sid tracks. Edited November 30, 2008 by papsrus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 bump. Considering "Complete Royal Roost Live: Recordings on Savoy" Thoughts? That's this one, not this one. ... or maybe visa versa. I could do without the 50-odd Symphony Sid tracks. I have the 2nd one. It's a nice set with some variety at trumpet as you get Davis, Dorham and Gillespie, plus all-star jams and a even a Christmas song. Glad this thread popped up as I just have this and the Uptown and was looking for ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-blake Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Can anyone comment on this? http://www.amazon.com/Bird-Time-1940-1947-...909&sr=1-16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Very strange. I do recall posting something on this thread in the past, but post 32 was NOT made by me. Edited: Now, the current post 32 WAS made by me. Earlier, for some reason, Paul Secor's post 34 was under my name on 32. Just saw this. Have no idea if post 34 was mine, but there is no post 34 anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Can anyone comment on this? http://www.amazon.com/Bird-Time-1940-1947-...909&sr=1-16 I preordered that from ESP but haven't received it. . . I notice it's been available from other retailers for a spell. . . .Looks as if it is going to contain the material in the four ESP lps/cds and more, including interesting interview segments and a hefty booklet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Can anyone comment on this? http://www.amazon.com/Bird-Time-1940-1947-...909&sr=1-16 I have nearly all of this material so I won't be picking up this box. But Michael Anderson (I'm assuming it's the same Michael Anderson who used to be the late night dj on BGO & was the only reason to listen to that station) is an interesting intelligent guy and I'd be surprised if he didn't put together a good & interesting selection of music & interviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-blake Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Can anyone comment on this? http://www.amazon.com/Bird-Time-1940-1947-...909&sr=1-16 I preordered that from ESP but haven't received it. . . I notice it's been available from other retailers for a spell. . . .Looks as if it is going to contain the material in the four ESP lps/cds and more, including interesting interview segments and a hefty booklet. If you could tell us what you think, I'd be very gratefull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 He has a tendency to play really fast on some tunes. Just a warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-blake Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Can anyone comment on this? http://www.amazon.com/Bird-Time-1940-1947-...909&sr=1-16 I have nearly all of this material so I won't be picking up this box. But Michael Anderson (I'm assuming it's the same Michael Anderson who used to be the late night dj on BGO & was the only reason to listen to that station) is an interesting intelligent guy and I'd be surprised if he didn't put together a good & interesting selection of music & interviews. Thanks. I have the same opinion of WBGO. Do you have any idea where to find the Parker solo session from Kansas City in May 1940? Iit had been on the Complete Birth of the Bebop on Stash. I'm also very interested in hearing Parker with just guitar and drums from Kansas City in September 1941 (also on the Stash CD). I'm tempted to buy Michael Anderson set just to get that stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 I'm going to assume nobody has an opinion about the one(s) that had me curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 I have the ESP CD set as well as the ESP Bird-1 and Bird-2 vinyls. I haven't listened to the CDs but assume the material is different than what is on the vinyl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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