Cliff Englewood Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 (edited) Seems to be a problem with the new RVG re-master of this classic. At around 2:19 on "Moritat", things go pear shaped, sounds like a problem on the actual tape, like it got a bit twisted or chewed. The sound drops out again at around 2:25. Checked my old 20 bit edition and the fault does not appear. I only upgraded this as it's such a great piece of work. :rmad: Anybody else notice this? Edited August 14, 2006 by Cliff Englewood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Seems to be a problem with the new RVG re-master of this classic. At around 2:19 on "Moritat", things go pear shaped, sounds like a problem on the actual tape, like it got a bit twisted or chewed. The sound drops out again at around 2:25. Checked my old 20 bit edition and the fault does not appear. I only upgraded this as it's such a great piece of work. :rmad: Anybody else notice this? I don't have this one, but this was reported on an AAJ thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Anybody else notice this? No, because I have found the IMHO definitive digital version of this album, the DCC CD from 1995. It also sounds better than the Analogue Productions SACD. It's expensive ($30-50 on Ebay), but worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Seems to be a problem with the new RVG re-master of this classic. At around 2:19 on "Moritat", things go pear shaped, sounds like a problem on the actual tape, like it got a bit twisted or chewed. The sound drops out again at around 2:25. Checked my old 20 bit edition and the fault does not appear. I only upgraded this as it's such a great piece of work. Anybody else notice this? I don't have this one, but this was reported on an AAJ thread. How many times can you run a 50+ year old tape through a machine and expect it to be fine? Sounds like they finally hit the limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Anybody else notice this? No, because I have found the IMHO definitive digital version of this album, the DCC CD from 1995. It also sounds better than the Analogue Productions SACD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 My mini-lp Japanese digital k2 sounds tremendous as well. I also have the Japanese 180 gm. reissue Lp that sounds simply gorgeous. No dropouts in either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 My personal definitive edition is the K2, which while it sounds perfectly fine to me, isn't definitive due to the sound, but rather Sonny's signature on the front. Won't be upgrading this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesbro Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 I have my K2 and dont expect to upgrade ever. It sounds great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Don't own this yet! Sounds like I need to find a K-2 before they are rarer than a dodo. Unfortunately not part of the $2.98 blow-out. The K-2 is still in print, right? Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 I don't think so. Most K2's are backordered on CD Universe. http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?...59439&BAB=E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 My old OJC sounds just fine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 (edited) Yes, I only have this in the Rollins box set (which sounds fine). I may get the RVG in time. . . one bad section won't bother me; I like the sound on these Prestige RVGs. Edited August 14, 2006 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montg Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 I have my K2 and dont expect to upgrade ever. It sounds great. Same here. There must be hundreds of OJCs that were reissued 15 years ago, or more, that are just begging for a sonic upgrade. And instead Concord decides to RVG an album that has been upgraded numerous times and already sounds find Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Englewood Posted August 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Yea, I like the sound on the new version just not the drop out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesbro Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 I don't think so. Most K2's are backordered on CD Universe. http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?...59439&BAB=E Its also gone from Amazon. Looks like you will have to really hunt for this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 I don't think so. Most K2's are backordered on CD Universe. http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?...59439&BAB=E Its also gone from Amazon. Looks like you will have to really hunt for this one. I doubt it's a rarity. This k2 has been available everywhere for a few years. I'm sure most retail stores still have copies. Not to mention eBay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesbro Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 I don't think so. Most K2's are backordered on CD Universe. http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?...59439&BAB=E Its also gone from Amazon. Looks like you will have to really hunt for this one. I doubt it's a rarity. This k2 has been available everywhere for a few years. I'm sure most retail stores still have copies. Not to mention eBay. AFAIK, all K2's are supposed to be limited editions. So eventually they will be out of stock everywhere. I think you could still find one in a B&M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 You can buy it indirectly through amazon for $23. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 The first (Japanese) version had the drop out as well. I had a copy and the flaw was explained in the notes. I believe later copies repaired it by patching from 2nd generation tapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 The first (Japanese) version had the drop out as well. I had a copy and the flaw was explained in the notes. I believe later copies repaired it by patching from 2nd generation tapes. It seems either stupid or obsessive-to-an-unhealthy-degree-about-using-original-tapes to leave this kind of drop out in an official release. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 (edited) I made a few calls today, and so far no one has it. Concord seems to have yanked it (it's still on their site, whatever that means), as opposed to just letting it slowly disappear. This new twist is interesting, though. The tape degradation did not just recently surface - it's been there for a while. So, for those of you who have the 20-bit, do you notice any sort of splicing occuring at the the mentioned (around 2:19-2:25 on 'Moritat')? Maybe I'll just live with the RVG. Which means I'm in no hurry to get it. Bertrand. Edited August 14, 2006 by bertrand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffrey r Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 I made a few calls today, and so far no one has it. Concord seems to have yanked it (it's still on their site, whatever that means), as opposed to just letting it slowly disappear. This new twist is interesting, though. The tape degradation did not just recently surface - it's been there for a while. So, for those of you who have the 20-bit, do you notice any sort of splicing occuring at the the mentioned (around 2:19-2:25 on 'Moritat')? Bertrand. No such problems on my K2 that I picked up from yourmusic about a year and a half ago. Sounds fine straight through Moritat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 I guess I'll stick with my old copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 I am listening to the CD layer of the Analogue Productions hybrid SACD. No problems at all. Great sounding CD too. I'd recommend it if you can't find the K2. I know this SACD gets bad-mouthed by guru Steve Hoffman because the mastering engineer added a touch of echo. I think the real reason Hoffman doesn't like it is because he wasn't asked by AP to do it. It sounds very good. The echo isn't bad by any stretch. Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.L.M Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 No, because I have found the IMHO definitive digital version of this album, the DCC CD from 1995. It also sounds better than the Analogue Productions SACD. It's expensive ($30-50 on Ebay), but worth it. Agreed too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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