Tom 1960 Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I've managed to purchase a couple of his releases recently. You Get More Bounce and Landslide. Terrific stuff. I'm probably going to purchase Carl's Blues as well. Any other fans here who just LOVE this stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Yeah, great stuff! Outstanding band, with Land, Perkins (little-recorded, one of my favorites), Butler and Sheldon. I rcommend Carl's Blues. I also have Sonority, which isn't as memorable but has three tunes with Gerald Wilson and Elmo Hope (another favorite). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I got into Counce because of Shelton. Great stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
six string Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I acquired a promo copy of You Get More Bounce... from my father-in-law a year ago and really like it. I've been aware of the album for years due to the eye catching cover, so I was pleasantly surprised to discover the music was very good as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I've managed to purchase a couple of his releases recently. You Get More Bounce and Landslide. Terrific stuff. I'm probably going to purchase Carl's Blues as well. Any other fans here who just LOVE this stuff? Count me in. I've been into Counce since reading about him in, I think, Gioia's book West Coast Jazz some years ago. There's also an album called Exploring the Future on Boplicity with Rolf Ericson on trumpet instead of Jack Sheldon and Elmo Hope replacing Carl Perkins on piano. Then there's a fine album by Harold Land called Harold In the Land of Jazz that's basically the Curtis Counce Group without Curtis Counce (Leroy Vinnegar is on bass instead.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Count me in. I've been into Counce since reading about him in, I think, Gioia's book West Coast Jazz some years ago. There's also an album called Exploring the Future on Boplicity with Rolf Ericson on trumpet instead of Jack Sheldon and Elmo Hope replacing Carl Perkins on piano. Actually the "Exploring the Future" album originally was a DOOTONE label release. Otherwise, thumbs up for Curtis Counce here too. I, too, got curious about exploring him further after reading Ted Gioia's book and haven't regretted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Tom, you've picked the best three. As TD says, Sonority is less impressive and I agree with Ted Gioia's poor opinion of Exploring the Future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 ..... Perkins (little-recorded, one of my favorites) ..... "Little recorded"??? Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 (edited) That said, count me in as another fan of the CCQ. I have to admit that I prefer listening to them in session order. I burned my own 3 CD set from the 4 CDs on Contemporary - if anbody here wants to buy all four of them at once (3 OJC CDs and 1 Contemporary CD), send me a PM with an offer. Edited December 17, 2007 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 ...I agree with Ted Gioia's poor opinion of Exploring the Future. Who cares what the record sounds like with that great cover art! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 ...I agree with Ted Gioia's poor opinion of Exploring the Future. Who cares what the record sounds like with that great cover art! It ain't THAT bad anyhow. Certianly not on the level of his Contemporary LP's but still listenable enough, no matter what Down Beat and Gioia said. Looking at the Down Beat review (2 stars) I've got a hunch that beyond recording quality issues they picked this record as one of those where they failed all the participants summarily for being "derivative" (one of their favorite derogatory terms of those years, it seems ), not creating something substantially new, etc. - i.e. their pet peeve they seem to have nourished at that time, proving you can downgrade anything if you feel like it. Just my 2c - and yes, at times I do take the liberty of disagreeing with certain review "authorities" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 definitely not a 2 star record ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I have an 80s vinyl reissue of it. It's in glorious out of phase mono. When you hit the mono button, it sounds like it's coming from inside a phone booth. If you can remember what a phone booth was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 The noticeable distortion in the recording quality (if I go by the Downbeat review it's aparently not a fault of my Fresh Sound reissue pressing) is annoying and I can understand the reviewers failing the record for this (maybe even to the point of rating it only 2 stars) but if you manage to "listen through" this (maybe I manage better than others as a LOT of my collection is made up of music from the 78 rpm era where fidelity varies widely) it's an O.K. enough blowing date IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 ...I agree with Ted Gioia's poor opinion of Exploring the Future. Who cares what the record sounds like with that great cover art! It ain't THAT bad anyhow. Certianly not on the level of his Contemporary LP's but still listenable enough, no matter what Down Beat and Gioia said. Looking at the Down Beat review (2 stars) I've got a hunch that beyond recording quality issues they picked this record as one of those where they failed all the participants summarily for being "derivative" (one of their favorite derogatory terms of those years, it seems ), not creating something substantially new, etc. - i.e. their pet peeve they seem to have nourished at that time, proving you can downgrade anything if you feel like it. Just my 2c - and yes, at times I do take the liberty of disagreeing with certain review "authorities" Sure, it's not the best Counce album, but I'm glad I have it and think any fan would be. My copy says "Boplicity" AND "Dootone" and I just chose the first one. Don't overlook that Harold Land album, Tom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Then there's a fine album by Harold Land called Harold In the Land of Jazz that's basically the Curtis Counce Group without Curtis Counce (Leroy Vinnegar is on bass instead.) there are also the final three tracks of the Elmo Hope Connoisseur CD with Hope, Land, Butler, Vinnegar and Stu Williamson on trumpet (and finally Harold Land's the Fox with Hope, Land, Butler plus Dupree Bolton on trumpet and Herbie Lewis on bass...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 1960 Posted December 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 ...I agree with Ted Gioia's poor opinion of Exploring the Future. Who cares what the record sounds like with that great cover art! You mean this groovy cover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 ...I agree with Ted Gioia's poor opinion of Exploring the Future. Who cares what the record sounds like with that great cover art! You mean this groovy cover? The colors were more vivid on the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 ...I agree with Ted Gioia's poor opinion of Exploring the Future. Who cares what the record sounds like with that great cover art! You mean this groovy cover? The colors were more vivid on the original. Heh. My LP copy has a b&w cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tom 1960 Posted December 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 (edited) Don't overlook that Harold Land album, Tom! Bruce, I'll have the Land album "Harold In The Land Of Jazz" as part of another Concord shipment planned soon. Great to hear you think highly of this release. Also great to read the many positive thoughts here on the Counce sessions. Looks like I'm in good company. Shame that another fine musician died way too young. Same can be said for Carl Perkins. Edited December 18, 2007 by Tom 1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 "Harold in the Land of Jazz" is a special record. And don't miss its first-cousin, Elmo Hope's "The Fox." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morganized Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 "Harold in the Land of Jazz" is a special record. And don't miss its first-cousin, Elmo Hope's "The Fox." Glad to see so much respect for Harold in the Land of Jazz. IMHO it is slightly better than the Fox which is the one most people cite when referencing Harold Land. He is such a great player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 (edited) There's a discography of Elmo Hope, too, on Noal Cohen's site I linked above - you will find the "Future" LP listed and several sessions with Land. If you check the "Future" sessions there, you will see that neither the Boplicity nor the Fresh Sound CD reissues have the complete session! Edited December 18, 2007 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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