mikeweil Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) The Discovery of Buck Hammer Edited January 26, 2022 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 In my collection, it fooled a few critics in the day… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 I didn’t know about this. A good story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam_44 Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 That was a fascinating read. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 https://www.discogs.com/master/736321-Buck-Hammer-The-Discovery-Of-Buck-Hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 IIRC, the Buck Hammer/Mary Ann Jackson duets we're the inspiration for the Mary Lou Williams/Cecil Taylor concert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 The woman who posed for the Mary Anne Jackson LP cover was the Allen’s housekeeper, she wore some of Jayne Meadows’ jewelry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted January 28, 2022 Report Share Posted January 28, 2022 https://fakebands.com/wiki/index.php?title=Buck_Hammer What other jazz fakes have there been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 28, 2022 Report Share Posted January 28, 2022 You will need this one. Really! This one is funny in small doses: Rumored to be a Don Elliot project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted January 28, 2022 Report Share Posted January 28, 2022 On 1/27/2022 at 8:03 PM, JSngry said: IIRC, the Buck Hammer/Mary Ann Jackson duets we're the inspiration for the Mary Lou Williams/Cecil Taylor concert? Hammer and Jackson had more human warmth together than Taylor and Williams did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 28, 2022 Report Share Posted January 28, 2022 I have come to appreciate that record after finding out that Williams was a bit, uh, homophobic or something about Taylor in general. It seems that she might have been "playing the game under protest" and then proceeded to indeed protest. And thus a narrative was created. Love them both, but it looks like it was not necessarily an act of good faith, that gig. I dunno... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted January 28, 2022 Report Share Posted January 28, 2022 54 minutes ago, JSngry said: I have come to appreciate that record after finding out that Williams was a bit, uh, homophobic or something about Taylor in general. It seems that she might have been "playing the game under protest" and then proceeded to indeed protest. And thus a narrative was created. Love them both, but it looks like it was not necessarily an act of good faith, that gig. I dunno... Interesting, I've heard it the other way, that Taylor was the one opposed to it, and that he did not try to meld with Williams. Nonetheless, a very fascinating listen, though not a "together" one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 28, 2022 Report Share Posted January 28, 2022 I also heard a version where Taylor was opposed to the meeting b/c of Williams' attitudes but went ahead with it anyway hoping to magically heal her spirit. In the end, neither one needed the other in the least, but there they were anyway. I can tell you this, though - Cecil's playing contains more than a little love for Williams' type of playing, if not for her person. Williams, in the meantime...check out "A Fungus Amungus" and her composer notes about it. Can't say she was a dewy-eyed innocent here...but you know, warriors gonna warrior, all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 Is this a modern day version of Buck Hammer? The back cover tells the "story": Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 I laughed, then I realized there probably is such a thing as a Vegan Pet shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 Man, that's also apropos because the Sabbath guys were all jazz fans. Well, Ozzy wasn't I don't think but Geezer, Bill and Tommy most certainly were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Dub Modal said: Man, that's also apropos because the Sabbath guys were all jazz fans. Well, Ozzy wasn't I don't think but Geezer, Bill and Tommy most certainly were. I didn't know that. not sure I heard too much Jazz influence but it's been a while since my Sabbath years 2 hours ago, bresna said: Is this a modern day version of Buck Hammer? The back cover tells the "story": That's just brilliant. Kudos all round, great story too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, mjazzg said: I didn't know that. not sure I heard too much Jazz influence but it's been a while since my Sabbath years I've read Ozzy telling a story that when he went into rehearsals with the band prior to the recording of Never Say Die (I think that's the one), they guys were jamming out playing jazz. Ozzy was pissed, saying he came to rock, not fool around with jazz. Other interviews I've read with Ward and maybe the other guys talk about them loving some jazz of the day. I agree, one doesn't necessarily hear much influence, but apparently the love for it was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Dub Modal said: I've read Ozzy telling a story that when he went into rehearsals with the band prior to the recording of Never Say Die (I think that's the one), they guys were jamming out playing jazz. Ozzy was pissed, saying he came to rock, not fool around with jazz. Other interviews I've read with Ward and maybe the other guys talk about them loving some jazz of the day. I agree, one doesn't necessarily hear much influence, but apparently the love for it was there. A lot of those British rockers from that era were listening to Jazz in their earlier years so I'm not surprised really. I am definitely going to listen to Jazz Sabbath this weekend though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 minute ago, mjazzg said: A lot of those British rockers from that era were listening to Jazz in their earlier years so I'm not surprised really. I am definitely going to listen to Jazz Sabbath this weekend though https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/black-sabbath-jazz-swing-influence-bill-ward-948231/ This link talks mainly about Ward's jazz influences but it's a good read overall. And yeah, I'm with you on checking out Jazz Sabbath lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Dub Modal said: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/black-sabbath-jazz-swing-influence-bill-ward-948231/ This link talks mainly about Ward's jazz influences but it's a good read overall. And yeah, I'm with you on checking out Jazz Sabbath lol. Great, thanks for the link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/black-sabbath-jazz-swing-influence-bill-ward-948231/ This link talks mainly about Ward's jazz influences but it's a good read overall. And yeah, I'm with you on checking out Jazz Sabbath lol. It's on Bandcamp right now. I found it when searching to see if there was something to buy for Bandcamp Friday, when all of the profits go to the artists. I thought it was funny as hell. BTW - the music is actually pretty good. Pianist Milton Keanes is really Sabbath's current keyboard player, Adam Wakeman... oh, hey... wow. He's Rick Wakeman's son. Did not know about him at all. Edited February 4, 2022 by bresna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, bresna said: Adam Wakeman... oh, hey... wow. He's Rick Wakeman's son. Did not know about him at all. Nobody tell Chewy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) Anybody here remember this 2004 CD that was discussed here back then? Edited February 5, 2022 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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