hbbfam Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 Has anyone compared the new Craft release to the older OJC or Keepnews? Enough of a sonic upgrade to warrant the newly released HD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Good enough album, but doesn't hold a candle to the one that followed it, 'Ugetsu'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 If you like the edition you have, why not spend your money on something new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, felser said: Good enough album, but doesn't hold a candle to the one that followed it, 'Ugetsu'. For me both excellent albums from a energized "Messengers" edition .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Kyoto is even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 8 hours ago, Chuck Nessa said: If you like the edition you have, why not spend your money on something new? 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 8 hours ago, soulpope said: For me both excellent albums from a energized "Messengers" edition .... Yes, my favorite Messengers group of all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbbfam Posted March 3 Author Report Share Posted March 3 10 hours ago, Chuck Nessa said: If you like the edition you have, why not spend your money on something new? I thought the goal was a never-ending quest to find a better version of everything 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 3 hours ago, hbbfam said: I thought the goal was a never-ending quest to find a better version of everything 😎 Well, that's Craft's goal for us, if not ours for ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 7 hours ago, JSngry said: Kyoto is even better. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adh1907 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Ugetsu is a classic. Was massive in London in the 80s jazz dance scene, particularly Ping Pong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Have you tried the Hoffman board? More chance you’ll get your answer there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 4 hours ago, Pim said: Have you tried the Hoffman board? More chance you’ll get your answer there His initial post is a link to the Hoffman board thread he started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 2 hours ago, jazzbo said: His initial post is a link to the Hoffman board thread he started. Whoops sorry did not see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 On 3/2/2024 at 10:47 PM, felser said: Good enough album, but doesn't hold a candle to the one that followed it, 'Ugetsu'. THIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 How come Kyoto has always been so hidden compared to the other two Riversides? This befuddles me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, JSngry said: How come Kyoto has always been so hidden compared to the other two Riversides? This befuddles me. Looking at the release calendar, Caravan came out in 1962, Ugetsu in 1963, but this one not until 1966. Maybe due to the demise of Riverside, maybe lost in the shuffle, lack of critical exposure, etc.? For me, both Kyoto and Ugetsu rank about Caravan. Edited March 5 by Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 It's part of the sextet magic run that also included Free For All + Indestructible. Straight line through imo. I get the timeline thing, but at this late date it sorta amazes me how it still seems slept on. It was waaaay late to make it to OJC as an LP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 32 minutes ago, JSngry said: It's part of the sextet magic run that also included Free For All + Indestructible. Straight line through imo. + Mosaic , Three Blind Mice, Buhaina's Delight on BM before the Riverside's. His greatest group (and the trumpet change for Indestructible was fine, that's a killer album. Not gonna go wrong with Lee Morgan, though Freddie Hubbard was killer in that group). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 Those 1964 dates were a cut above, though. Imo. It was like a Messenger supernova, a torrent of energy amped up and unleashed one last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 57 minutes ago, JSngry said: Those 1964 dates were a cut above, though. Imo. It was like a Messenger supernova, a torrent of energy amped up and unleashed one last time. Understood. 'Indestructible' just explodes into my head when I listen to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, JSngry said: Those 1964 dates were a cut above, though. Imo. It was like a Messenger supernova, a torrent of energy amped up and unleashed one last time. I saw that group in '64. Remember being really impressed by Workman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 Indestructible was my very first Blue Note and one of my first 25 or so jazz records period. Pulled it out of a cutout bin. Still haven't quite recovered from the opening Wayne solo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 3 hours ago, medjuck said: I saw that group in '64. Remember being really impressed by Workman. Damn. I'm jealous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 5 hours ago, JSngry said: Indestructible was my very first Blue Note and one of my first 25 or so jazz records period. Pulled it out of a cutout bin. Still haven't quite recovered from the opening Wayne solo. I believe this was my first Blue Note (in high school) an it set the bar for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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