David Ayers Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 I can add nothing to this exhaustive debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 really, more revelatory than some of JOS' 1957-8 sides? I think the sides like "Groovin at Smalls" feature some of his most stunning playing on records. No...not more revelatory than THAT! Hell, NOTHING is! But, I just think a session left in the can from 1961 of Jimmy, Q. Warren and Donald Bailey has GOT to be a great session. I always think some of Jimmy's best years were '60-'63 ish. "Best" is a silly word. But he was finding the essence of what would become the style that would remain with him until the end of his life during this period imho. Anyway, enough academic b.s....let's hear that tape! For me, the revelation came like a jolt of electricity when I heard Live At Club Baby Grand Vol. 2. made in 1956, which I am now realizing is JOS BEFORE Groovin' at Small's. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 It did seem a bit convoluted when I wrote it. Maybe breaking into several sentences would have been better. "Convolution?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 It did seem a bit convoluted when I wrote it. Maybe breaking into several sentences would have been better. "Convolution?" That's the title of Bertrand's imaginary BN debut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 I asked 'em to keep it in the can because the drummer sucked. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 I asked 'em to keep it in the can because the drummer sucked. Bertrand. who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike casinghino Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 it looks like they are all available for preorder at cd universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swinging Swede Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Yes, and the Stanley Turrentine has had a name change to A Bluish Bag. This is very interesting since that is the title of one of the tunes from the unissued 6/9/67 session! Stanley Turrentine Tentet Blue Mitchell, Tommy Turrentine (tp) Julian Priester (tb) Jerry Dodgion (as, fl) Stanley Turrentine (ts) Al Gibbons (ts, bcl) Pepper Adams (bars, cl) McCoy Tyner (p) Walter Booker (b) Mickey Roker (d) Duke Pearson (arr) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, June 9, 1967 1904 tk.16 With This Ring Blue Note unissued 1905 tk.15 Silver Tears - 1906 tk.20 A Bluish Bag - 1907 tk.26 Come Back To Me - 1908 tk.30 The Days Of Wine And Roses - 1909 tk.45 Message To Michael Blue Note rejected But the price indicates a single CD and in that case there will not be room to also include the tracks from the Best Album compilation, which were recorded on the same sessions as New Time Shuffle. In other words, the bonus tracks will not be the additional tunes recorded at the same sessions, but tunes recorded on a different session, which would be kind of strange! OK, I guess in due time we will see exactly what's on the CD and what's not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 The label mentioned on the CDUniverse site is JCT. Anyone know what that's all about? Did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike casinghino Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 that's just what i was thinking, what the hell is a jct?????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Yes, and the Stanley Turrentine has had a name change to A Bluish Bag. This is very interesting since that is the title of one of the tunes from the unissued 6/9/67 session! Stanley Turrentine Tentet Blue Mitchell, Tommy Turrentine (tp) Julian Priester (tb) Jerry Dodgion (as, fl) Stanley Turrentine (ts) Al Gibbons (ts, bcl) Pepper Adams (bars, cl) McCoy Tyner (p) Walter Booker (b) Mickey Roker (d) Duke Pearson (arr) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, June 9, 1967 1904 tk.16 With This Ring Blue Note unissued 1905 tk.15 Silver Tears - 1906 tk.20 A Bluish Bag - 1907 tk.26 Come Back To Me - 1908 tk.30 The Days Of Wine And Roses - 1909 tk.45 Message To Michael Blue Note rejected But the price indicates a single CD and in that case there will not be room to also include the tracks from the Best Album compilation, which were recorded on the same sessions as New Time Shuffle. In other words, the bonus tracks will not be the additional tunes recorded at the same sessions, but tunes recorded on a different session, which would be kind of strange! OK, I guess in due time we will see exactly what's on the CD and what's not... Well, as usual I've been sleepwalking. I didn't know this Turrentine release was planned at all. At any rate, I've had the vinyl twofer ("Best Album"; BN-LA 394-H2) for years, and have been hoping that the '67 material arranged by Pearson would see the light of day again on CD. Now I'm really curious to see what's going to be included. Since I've got an online discog page opened, here's some data (not going to vouch for its accuracy, btw) regarding the material Swinging Swede refers to, for those who may be interested: Stanley Turrentine Tentet Donald Byrd (tp) Julian Priester (tb) Jerry Dodgion (as, fl) Stanley Turrentine (ts) Joe Farrell (ts, fl) Pepper Adams (bars, cl) Kenny Barron (p) Bucky Pizzarelli (g) Ron Carter (b) Mickey Roker (d) Duke Pearson (arr) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, February 17, 1967 1839 tk.4 She's A Carioca Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2 1840 tk.9 Samba Do Aviao - 1841 tk.14 Manha De Carnaval Blue Note LT 993 1842 tk.15 What Now, My Love? - 1843 tk.24 Night Song Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2 1844 tk.32 Here's That Rainy Day Blue Note LT 993 1845 tk.41 Blues For Del - * Stanley Turrentine Best Album (Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2) * Stanley Turrentine - New Time Shuffle (Blue Note LT 993) Stanley Turrentine Tentet Blue Mitchell, Tommy Turrentine (tp) Julian Priester (tb) Jerry Dodgion (as, fl) Stanley Turrentine (ts) Al Gibbons (ts, bcl) Pepper Adams (bars, cl) McCoy Tyner (p) Walter Booker (b) Mickey Roker (d) Duke Pearson (arr) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, June 9, 1967 1904 tk.16 With This Ring Blue Note unissued 1905 tk.15 Silver Tears - 1906 tk.20 A Bluish Bag - 1907 tk.26 Come Back To Me - 1908 tk.30 The Days Of Wine And Roses - 1909 tk.45 Message To Michael Blue Note rejected Stanley Turrentine Orchestra Joe Shepley, Marvin Stamm (tp, flh) Garnett Brown, Julian Priester (tb) Al Gibbons (as, fl, bcl) Stanley Turrentine (ts) Joe Farrell (ts, fl) Mario Rivera (bars) McCoy Tyner (p) Bob Cranshaw (b) Ray Lucas (d) Duke Pearson (arr) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, June 23, 1967 1910 tk.4 Better Luck Next Time Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2 1911 tk.11 Bonita - 1912 tk.14 Return Of The Prodigal Son Blue Note LT 993 1913 tk.16 Flying Jumbo (Prez Delight) Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2 1914 tk.27 Ain't No Mountain High Enough Blue Note LT 993 1915 tk.32 New Time Shuffle - * Stanley Turrentine Best Album (Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2) * Stanley Turrentine - New Time Shuffle (Blue Note LT 993) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 it looks like they are all available for preorder at cd universe. Well I don't know about all available , since previous batches have all had six titles IIRC . We know the sixth title is not going to be the Stanley Clarke initially listed at Jazzitude , so I suppose we will just have to wait and be surprised . I expect the Kenny Cox to be a favorite here . We will see how many seconds had to be edited out to make both albums fit on one disc , but I don't see myself buying it unless the booklet is spectacular . And even if that is the case , if the sound on the CD is like the sound on the CDs of other Liberty-era recordings ( e.g. The In Between ) then I will happily keep my original vinyl of the two sessions . As to Manhattan Fever , it's one I never reach for . The best track on it as I recall is the longest track , which is a version of Bill English's Seventh Avenue Bill . The rest is pretty forgettable . My decision as to whether to buy this on CD will hinge entirely on the quality of any bonus material . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBlutarski Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 really, more revelatory than some of JOS' 1957-8 sides? I think the sides like "Groovin at Smalls" feature some of his most stunning playing on records. No...not more revelatory than THAT! Hell, NOTHING is! But, I just think a session left in the can from 1961 of Jimmy, Q. Warren and Donald Bailey has GOT to be a great session. I always think some of Jimmy's best years were '60-'63 ish. "Best" is a silly word. But he was finding the essence of what would become the style that would remain with him until the end of his life during this period imho. Anyway, enough academic b.s....let's hear that tape! For me, the revelation came like a jolt of electricity when I heard Live At Club Baby Grand Vol. 2. made in 1956, which I am now realizing is JOS BEFORE Groovin' at Small's. Wow. isn't Live At Baby Grand due for a connoisseur or a RvG?? JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyo Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 isn't Live At Baby Grand due for a connoisseur or a RvG?? RVG in 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBlutarski Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 isn't Live At Baby Grand due for a connoisseur or a RvG?? RVG in 2009. hopefully Rudy is still healty (and alive) in 2009!! JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 isn't Live At Baby Grand due for a connoisseur or a RvG?? RVG in 2009. hopefully Rudy is still healty (and alive) in 2009!! JB He's probably redone the entire catalogue of BN & PR material already - they're just bringing them out in dribs and drabs MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Yes, and the Stanley Turrentine has had a name change to A Bluish Bag. This is very interesting since that is the title of one of the tunes from the unissued 6/9/67 session! Stanley Turrentine Tentet Blue Mitchell, Tommy Turrentine (tp) Julian Priester (tb) Jerry Dodgion (as, fl) Stanley Turrentine (ts) Al Gibbons (ts, bcl) Pepper Adams (bars, cl) McCoy Tyner (p) Walter Booker (b) Mickey Roker (d) Duke Pearson (arr) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, June 9, 1967 1904 tk.16 With This Ring Blue Note unissued 1905 tk.15 Silver Tears - 1906 tk.20 A Bluish Bag - 1907 tk.26 Come Back To Me - 1908 tk.30 The Days Of Wine And Roses - 1909 tk.45 Message To Michael Blue Note rejected But the price indicates a single CD and in that case there will not be room to also include the tracks from the Best Album compilation, which were recorded on the same sessions as New Time Shuffle. In other words, the bonus tracks will not be the additional tunes recorded at the same sessions, but tunes recorded on a different session, which would be kind of strange! OK, I guess in due time we will see exactly what's on the CD and what's not... Well, as usual I've been sleepwalking. I didn't know this Turrentine release was planned at all. At any rate, I've had the vinyl twofer ("Best Album"; BN-LA 394-H2) for years, and have been hoping that the '67 material arranged by Pearson would see the light of day again on CD. Now I'm really curious to see what's going to be included. Since I've got an online discog page opened, here's some data (not going to vouch for its accuracy, btw) regarding the material Swinging Swede refers to, for those who may be interested: Stanley Turrentine Tentet Donald Byrd (tp) Julian Priester (tb) Jerry Dodgion (as, fl) Stanley Turrentine (ts) Joe Farrell (ts, fl) Pepper Adams (bars, cl) Kenny Barron (p) Bucky Pizzarelli (g) Ron Carter (b) Mickey Roker (d) Duke Pearson (arr) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, February 17, 1967 1839 tk.4 She's A Carioca Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2 1840 tk.9 Samba Do Aviao - 1841 tk.14 Manha De Carnaval Blue Note LT 993 1842 tk.15 What Now, My Love? - 1843 tk.24 Night Song Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2 1844 tk.32 Here's That Rainy Day Blue Note LT 993 1845 tk.41 Blues For Del - * Stanley Turrentine Best Album (Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2) * Stanley Turrentine - New Time Shuffle (Blue Note LT 993) Stanley Turrentine Tentet Blue Mitchell, Tommy Turrentine (tp) Julian Priester (tb) Jerry Dodgion (as, fl) Stanley Turrentine (ts) Al Gibbons (ts, bcl) Pepper Adams (bars, cl) McCoy Tyner (p) Walter Booker (b) Mickey Roker (d) Duke Pearson (arr) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, June 9, 1967 1904 tk.16 With This Ring Blue Note unissued 1905 tk.15 Silver Tears - 1906 tk.20 A Bluish Bag - 1907 tk.26 Come Back To Me - 1908 tk.30 The Days Of Wine And Roses - 1909 tk.45 Message To Michael Blue Note rejected Stanley Turrentine Orchestra Joe Shepley, Marvin Stamm (tp, flh) Garnett Brown, Julian Priester (tb) Al Gibbons (as, fl, bcl) Stanley Turrentine (ts) Joe Farrell (ts, fl) Mario Rivera (bars) McCoy Tyner (p) Bob Cranshaw (b) Ray Lucas (d) Duke Pearson (arr) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, June 23, 1967 1910 tk.4 Better Luck Next Time Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2 1911 tk.11 Bonita - 1912 tk.14 Return Of The Prodigal Son Blue Note LT 993 1913 tk.16 Flying Jumbo (Prez Delight) Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2 1914 tk.27 Ain't No Mountain High Enough Blue Note LT 993 1915 tk.32 New Time Shuffle - * Stanley Turrentine Best Album (Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2) * Stanley Turrentine - New Time Shuffle (Blue Note LT 993) This is the interesting one for me. Does anyone know what the Conn is going to include? MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBlutarski Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 isn't Live At Baby Grand due for a connoisseur or a RvG?? RVG in 2009. hopefully Rudy is still healty (and alive) in 2009!! JB He's probably redone the entire catalogue of BN & PR material already - they're just bringing them out in dribs and drabs MG hmmm, how long does it take, to remaster an album? JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Personally I doubt that he has "redone the entire catalogue" by any means. I think he's done these in batches and they release them in batches. Long life to him, and I hope this continues. I would prefer all these Connoisseurs to be released as RVGs for example. I really enjoy these remasterings. (It's just a personal preferrence!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Larsen Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 isn't Live At Baby Grand due for a connoisseur or a RvG?? RVG in 2009. hopefully Rudy is still healty (and alive) in 2009!! JB He's probably redone the entire catalogue of BN & PR material already - they're just bringing them out in dribs and drabs MG What's PR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 isn't Live At Baby Grand due for a connoisseur or a RvG?? RVG in 2009. hopefully Rudy is still healty (and alive) in 2009!! JB He's probably redone the entire catalogue of BN & PR material already - they're just bringing them out in dribs and drabs MG What's PR? Prestige? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 isn't Live At Baby Grand due for a connoisseur or a RvG?? RVG in 2009. hopefully Rudy is still healty (and alive) in 2009!! JB He's probably redone the entire catalogue of BN & PR material already - they're just bringing them out in dribs and drabs MG What's PR? Prestige? Yup! MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Personally I doubt that he has "redone the entire catalogue" by any means. I think he's done these in batches and they release them in batches. Er, it was a joke. Long life to him, and I hope this continues. Yes indeed. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Okay. . . I'm laughing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesForBartok Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Here's the Andrew Hill cover for those who are curioius: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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