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Chick Webb Mosaic Set announced

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ARGH! I already have all this material. . . and will probably buy the Mosaic to have it all together and in better sound. Great stuff.

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Just when my day couldn't get better (for my low standards)....IT JUST DID! Thanks for the scoop!!!

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Yea! A Mosaic that I can safely ignore. Sort of feels like more money in my pocket already. ;)

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Yea! A Mosaic that I can safely ignore. Sort of feels like more money in my pocket already. ;)

HAHA! I probably should ignore this set too, as I'm more of a 50s-60s jazz fan, but HEY, it's a new Mosaic!

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I might well go for this. I've the two Chick Webb Hep CDs which I think must all be included on this proposed set. Still that leaves 5 CDs unknown to me and I rather like early Ella.

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Yea! A Mosaic that I can safely ignore. Sort of feels like more money in my pocket already. ;)

HAHA! I probably should ignore this set too, as I'm more of a 50s-60s jazz fan, but HEY, it's a new Mosaic!

I like a fair bit of early jazz, but I am very particular about vocal jazz -- not a fan of it in general with a few exceptions. Ella is not one of those exceptions...

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I have the Heps and the Webb/Fitzgerald GRP Decca Jazz sets, so this one is going to be a bit of a pull for me. Still, I imagine the sound will be much better (especially than the GRPs), so I may go for it.

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I like a fair bit of early jazz, but I am very particular about vocal jazz -- not a fan of it in general with a few exceptions. Ella is not one of those exceptions...

Same here. No idea how many vocals this set will have, but there's a good chance I'll pass. I have the John R.T. Davies-mastered Hep Chick Webb CDs with relatively excellent sound, but those vocals...

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Not that I'm complaining about Mosaic, but they seem to have been releasing a lot of EARLIER Jazz lately, I guess all the 50s and 60s Blue Note, Basie, Ellington, small group, etc., etc. has been released and now they are going to the fringes of early Jazz and 70s (Braxton, Threadgill)?

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Not that I'm complaining about Mosaic, but they seem to have been releasing a lot of EARLIER Jazz lately, I guess all the 50s and 60s Blue Note, Basie, Ellington, small group, etc., etc. has been released and now they are going to the fringes of early Jazz and 70s (Braxton, Threadgill)?

Well, I think it's a good thing they are reissuing pre-bop and post-mid 1960s jazz. Generally, those eras have been more or less neglected in comparison with 1950s-mid 1960s jazz. Apart from Mosaic only Nessa and a few other labels have reissued post-mid 1960s jazz, and Mosaic have done pre-bop sets before, of course.

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Just received an email about it and must have missed this thread earlier but sounds quite exciting. Two great sets with the Hawkins coming up.

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Not that I'm complaining about Mosaic, but they seem to have been releasing a lot of EARLIER Jazz lately, I guess all the 50s and 60s Blue Note, Basie, Ellington, small group, etc., etc. has been released and now they are going to the fringes of early Jazz and 70s (Braxton, Threadgill)?

Well, I think it's a good thing they are reissuing pre-bop and post-mid 1960s jazz. Generally, those eras have been more or less neglected in comparison with 1950s-mid 1960s jazz. Apart from Mosaic only Nessa and a few other labels have reissued post-mid 1960s jazz, and Mosaic have done pre-bop sets before, of course.

Thanks for the mention and I agree with your other observations. If Mosaic issues anything you might find interesting, buy it if you have the means. This era is ending and the future is not better.

Not that I'm complaining about Mosaic, but they seem to have been releasing a lot of EARLIER Jazz lately, I guess all the 50s and 60s Blue Note, Basie, Ellington, small group, etc., etc. has been released and now they are going to the fringes of early Jazz and 70s (Braxton, Threadgill)?

I find your "fringes of early Jazz and 70s (Braxton, Threadgill)?" to be stupid and insulting. YMMV. :unsure:

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Not that I'm complaining about Mosaic, but they seem to have been releasing a lot of EARLIER Jazz lately, I guess all the 50s and 60s Blue Note, Basie, Ellington, small group, etc., etc. has been released and now they are going to the fringes of early Jazz and 70s (Braxton, Threadgill)?

Well, I think it's a good thing they are reissuing pre-bop and post-mid 1960s jazz. Generally, those eras have been more or less neglected in comparison with 1950s-mid 1960s jazz. Apart from Mosaic only Nessa and a few other labels have reissued post-mid 1960s jazz, and Mosaic have done pre-bop sets before, of course.

Thanks for the mention and I agree with your other observations. If Mosaic issues anything you might find interesting, buy it if you have the means. This era is ending and the future is not better.

Not that I'm complaining about Mosaic, but they seem to have been releasing a lot of EARLIER Jazz lately, I guess all the 50s and 60s Blue Note, Basie, Ellington, small group, etc., etc. has been released and now they are going to the fringes of early Jazz and 70s (Braxton, Threadgill)?

I find your "fringes of early Jazz and 70s (Braxton, Threadgill)?" to be stupid and insulting. YMMV. :unsure:

I regret using the word "fringe", I did not mean any insult from that comment on any type or era of music. I have a high respect for all types of music/musicians. Please don't judge me on one comment.

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ok. we b good.

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Not that I'm complaining about Mosaic, but they seem to have been releasing a lot of EARLIER Jazz lately

Scott must be running rampant every time M. Cuscuna leaves the office. :D

Great to see Mosaic nice and active with the issuing of these new sets.

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I was trying to think about Hans' idea that the 70s and 80s have been neglected. I couldn't really think of any major artist that has been all that neglected, though there are obviously chunks of stuff missing, and the Braxton/Threagill boxes from Mosaic cover two big gaps. But really a lot of labels from the 70s and 80s still exist, there was in any case surely less done in that period, and since a lot of it was from major labels like Columbia the considerations are a bit different. In any case 70s and 80s LPs are mostly easy to find, not like 50s and 60s originals. You could say Mosaic struggled really to fill a Threadgill set since they included some recent material from the 90s which has always been easy to find and is hardly a reissue since it was only ever on CD. Black Saint/Soul Note kept their stuff in print and has now packaged a lot of it into boxes (including fine Braxton/Threadgill/Dixon/Taylor etc. boxes). But these are repackagings rather than reissues. Independents like Emanem and PSI, continue to reissue their own LP era material and also new sessions from that period. There are some specialist reissue companies which license major label material - Wounded Bird does lots of Columbia for example - but Sony do lots of their own, not only Davis but Shorter, Hancock and so on. So I don't see the situation as regards the 70s/80s as being so very bad, though I can see where gaps lie for collectors who want an archival digital transfer and are not interested in LPs which are often easily found and cheap. I tend to see a half empty glass as three quarters full so correct me if I am wrong. What artists are missing from the 70s/80s, or how many more massive chunks of stuff by major artists is in need of revival?

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Chuck,

What did you mean by "this era is ending." Are you saying that Mosaic is an endangered species or that we wouldn't see music like this released by any company in the future.

Brad

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Well, I think it's a good thing they are reissuing pre-bop and post-mid 1960s jazz. Generally, those eras have been more or less neglected in comparison with 1950s-mid 1960s jazz. Apart from Mosaic only Nessa and a few other labels have reissued post-mid 1960s jazz, and Mosaic have done pre-bop sets before, of course.

I was trying to think about Hans' idea that the 70s and 80s have been neglected. I couldn't really think of any major artist that has been all that neglected, though there are obviously chunks of stuff missing, and the Braxton/Threagill boxes from Mosaic cover two big gaps. But really a lot of labels from the 70s and 80s still exist, there was in any case surely less done in that period, and since a lot of it was from major labels like Columbia the considerations are a bit different. In any case 70s and 80s LPs are mostly easy to find, not like 50s and 60s originals. You could say Mosaic struggled really to fill a Threadgill set since they included some recent material from the 90s which has always been easy to find and is hardly a reissue since it was only ever on CD. Black Saint/Soul Note kept their stuff in print and has now packaged a lot of it into boxes (including fine Braxton/Threadgill/Dixon/Taylor etc. boxes). But these are repackagings rather than reissues. Independents like Emanem and PSI, continue to reissue their own LP era material and also new sessions from that period. There are some specialist reissue companies which license major label material - Wounded Bird does lots of Columbia for example - but Sony do lots of their own, not only Davis but Shorter, Hancock and so on. So I don't see the situation as regards the 70s/80s as being so very bad, though I can see where gaps lie for collectors who want an archival digital transfer and are not interested in LPs which are often easily found and cheap. I tend to see a half empty glass as three quarters full so correct me if I am wrong. What artists are missing from the 70s/80s, or how many more massive chunks of stuff by major artists is in need of revival?

Read my post again: I said about pre-bop and post-mid 1960s jazz that "those eras have been more or less neglected in comparison with 1950s-mid 1960s jazz." For instance, from the 1980s until a few years ago EMI/Blue Note and Fantasy/OJC have reissued loads of jazz recordings that were made in the 1950s and 1960s, and I don't think jazz recordings from other eras have had the same exposure during those years.

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Read my post again: I said about pre-bop and post-mid 1960s jazz that "those eras have been more or less neglected in comparison with 1950s-mid 1960s jazz." For instance, from the 1980s until a few years ago EMI/Blue Note and Fantasy/OJC have reissued loads of jazz recordings that were made in the 1950s and 1960s, and I don't think jazz recordings from other eras have had the same exposure during those years.

I read it - and I'm disagreeing! That's why I said the question is, what's missing? EMI and Fantasy reissued loads of stuff from defunct labels they had bought up over the years. My point was that many labels from the 70s and 80s still exist and have continued to make stuff available, so that the there may be less sense of the 'reissue program' but when you analyse what's absent it doesn't seem that there are big gaps. Contrast Blue Note and ECM. There were maybe 500 ECM LPs released in the 70s and 80s. The great majority were reissued on CD by ECM and of these the majority have been more-or-less continuously available. So we don't think of that as a reissue program. In contrast the 500 or so Blue Note LPs issued from 1955-the very early 1970s have had only periodic reissue, usually part of special and limited programs, and while I think that about 80% of BNs and 80% of 70s/80s ECMS have been available as CD (some ECMs from later 80s would have been LP/CD in any case) I'd be surprised if ECM didn't pip it, and while I haven't counted I'd be amazed if there are not many more ECMs of that period in print (if the idea of 'in print' counts any more) than there are BNs currently in shops.

Edited by David Ayers

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Chuck,

What did you mean by "this era is ending." Are you saying that Mosaic is an endangered species or that we wouldn't see music like this released by any company in the future.

Brad

I mean the era of intelligent packages from best sources is drawing to a close. We had a glut for a time and now things are slowing to a trickle.

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I am afraid Chuck is right .... who will have the financial ressources and knowledgeable personnel once the Mosaic and comparable people retire? Hip-O-Select? :huh:

Edited by mikeweil

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But I wonder if different things can start to happen around reissuing. I find the model of Destination Out quite interesting - reissues, some rare and never on CD, in FLAC and other formats. No need to buy an expensive box set, just one title at a time as and when you feel like it. But in some ways the issues are the same for that business model as they are for the hard copy model - won't people simply just steal it, that is, 'share' it? Destination Out has 32 FMP titles up and more to come. That's a lot. It hasn't been around long, I'll be interested to see how it goes. I say get over there and support it.

I should have mentioned that you can stream whole albums on the site, so buying the d/l is most definitely optional. They believe in their product!

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