David Ayers

I told you, chewy's gonna re-record the album on a kazoo without hearing it and based on our comments in this thread.

In an inverted version of BFT, chewy should never listen to the LP but just mentally reconstruct it from our remarks about it.

Are you sure you are qualified to even read this board - let alone contribute??

I'm now only an occasional buyer. I buy mostly classical. I buy mainly new releases, in order to support artists whose work I actually get to enjoy in concert. I never buy classical remasters and I now rarely buy any jazz reissues. With jazz it's partly saturation and partly dislike of most remasters. I may occasionally, uh, borrow music but I don't dress that up to myself as anything other than it is. Which is, borrowing. I never have music as background, I listen to just one CD a day if I'm lucky, and I will give any disc a few listens over time, so I am massively behind even at a low rate of purchase. I have a price point - I won't pay more than £10 per disk. Since I rarely buy other than new releases that's an effective cap. Apologies to all those out there still over-charging. In this country you can buy the Lord of the Rings trilogy on DVD for £15. I did the math, so to speak. And finally, my streaming service takes care of any curiosity I may have about stuff I don't 'own', so that makes life simpler.

The birth of an internet rumor. Thirty years from now they'll be discussing the whereabouts of the unissued Warne Marsh 'space-shuttle-wreck' session...

Yeah it's quite surprising, isn't it, at this late stage in the history of the CD! The advantage that the Rivers set has over the Braxton and Threadgill is that the material will (it seems) be wholly new. For me personally, I'm past the point where I'd consider 'replacing' LPs even if a little extra material is served up as a sweetener. I can quite see why people want to sell me stuff I already own but I'm not playing that game any more. The Rivers material, by contrast, will be new to almost everybody and - who knows? - may have a wider and quicker uptake than the Braxton and Threadgill re-treads.

It might be the trio music with Dave Holland and Barry Altschul. Sam said he priately recroded a lot of the stuff that went on in the Studio Rivbea club/loft. He went on to discuss the trio and how he caught a ton of flack from the black musicians for hiring two white musicians. In fact Barry was at the concert and came up on the stage and said a few words. Sam said he played with Barry and Dave since they were the only two who followed what he was writing. No one else listen to him. If your guess is correct that's very promising! Could cause further ructions over in the Dave Holland thread...

Reinier told us in another thread that we shouldn't be expecting too many or even any new Selects in the future - I wonder what form this will take? There are lots of unissued trio tapes, according to the discography, and of course surely lots that don't make it on to the discography. My guess is this will be trio stuff, but equally there could be lots of interesting sit-ins... I guess the material will be drawn from the sessions marked as 'Rivbea archival recordings' on Rick Lopez' sessionography: http://www.bb10k.com/RIVERS.disc.html

The two Andrew Hill Selects are mostly previously unreleased... The Teagarden Roulette set had an album's worth of unreleased material from the Round Table sessions. I think it's still available too--some very nice stuff there! gregmo

Oh I wasn't complaining... just noticing that there's nothing new under the sun...

Thanks! Ah, whatever it is we discussed it all already...

And now STOP PRESS and check out this urgent new thread containing views so explosive they couldn't possibly be accomodated in this thread. Wear protective glasses.

Is it true that the last track on each of the Revenant CDs was defective, being a minute of silence instead of the music?

When, as I did only yesterday, you discover that a CD you were always intending to buy ever since it first came out has been recently deleted, so you desperately hunt it down online... then discover that in fact you did buy it when it first came out...

I say destroy everything - everything I tell you - and start again with just a select handful of the chosen...

There is a G+ copy of the 1951 Pontiac issue currently on ebay.

I also see references to a 10" on Pontiac.

At the time those LPs came out people commented that the band with Coleman was more thrilling live than on LP. I don't think that's unusual though, for a jazz band to be more careful on record than live. Holland live plays the same music as on LP - the same tunes, changes, harmonies, general ideas and ethos, just with a bit more spark, at greater length, and more in the way of up-tempo crowd-pleasers - which can be wearing on record. I notice that Holland is here in London again in a few weeks playing with a flamenco outfit... Details - and clips - here: http://www.barbican.org.uk/music/event-detail.asp?ID=10565

Agreed. And I'd add that it shows what can be done at the right price and without a lot of self-congratulatory fanfare (and at a higher price).

Thanks for posting this. Let's hope the quality is not too dramatically compromised.

OK. Now anyone interested in classical music will have box sets of things like the Beethoven symphonies, consisting of recordings that were completed anything from a few years ago to 60 years. In fact some Beethoven symphony cycles in recent years (e.g. Pletnev) were released intact as box sets without individual CD release. What I'd like to know though is what as yet incomplete series you are following. I'm interested really in the hard core repertoire, but I'd also be interested to hear about other things - say the Bach cantatas (Gardiner, Suzuki) or maybe more obscure things - as long as it's not yet a box set and still in progress or maybe just recently (this year) completed. And I'd be interested to hear why, too. For myself, I'm a staunch follower of the Gergiev Mahler (LSO) and have started and will no doubt finish the Gergiev Shostakovich (Marinsky, though I sincerely wish it were the LSO). I've dabbled in Jarvi's Beethoven and Zinman's Mahler, and I'm considering getting into Simone Young's and Paavo Jarvi's Bruckner, and Vasily Petrenko's and Mark Wigglesworth's Shostakovich. Any views on these or anything else you are currently following?

Not an answer to the question, but does anyone here know Johnny Cash's Bitter Tears? Very interesting.

I stopped watching this in series one. It was too evident that they were making it up as they went along. The joins were too visible. I think they should combine this, Heroes and maybe 24 in a grand finale of supposedly-tense-series-with-way-too-many-episodes.

Oh buying something twice isn't even on the scale around these parts! That's like not owning a copy at all. Are you some sort of cheapskate?? On a more serious note, I am very curious to know the dynamics of the CD market now as far as anything historical/collectible/minority-interest goes. CDs seem so out-of-date that every reissue seems like a throwback, like reissuing an LP or cassette. I can't believe either that people who own or have owned thousands of recordings in the past can be all that fussed about buying any more (with a few exceptions mainly concentrated on this board...). I wonder what the reality is... how many 'collectors' worldwide... 3,000? 10,000? in a world of 3,000,000,000... bearers of the torch or just beermat collectors by other means...?

This isn't a place where anything goes. It is a music discussion board hosted by our friends Organissimo and the moderators act on their (and our) behalf. As far as I am concerned I am a guest here and I am not going to act in any way that will embarass the hosts. Sexually explicit imagery doesn't belong here, in my book, simple as that, and I don't consider it a test of freedom of speech.