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I knew I recognized him. Is he still alive? What's he been up to? I guess I could google him. Bertrand.

Here's the link for the chronology: http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Artists/Blakey/chron.htm I found 3 listings for the Five Spot during the time frame mentioned in my earlier post. 1) November 9, 1965: Chuck Mangione-tpt; Frank Mitchell-tsx; Lonnie Liston Smith-p; Reggie Johnson-b Five Spot, NYC (November 9, 1965) [VV 11/4/65 p.12, VV 11/11/65 p.14] 2) Five Spot, NYC (November into December 1965) [VV 11/25/65 p.12, VV 12/16/65 p.18] [personnel unknown] 3) Spring 1966: Chuck Mangione-tpt; Frank Mitchell-tsx; Chick Corea-p; Reggie Johnson-b Five Spot, NYC (3 weeks c. late May 1966) [db 6/30 p.15] I know booking policies were very different back then and groups could play for several weeks in a row (wasn't Monk at the Five Spot for 6 months straight?), so I'm going to guess the first two are the same residency, and the personnel is hopefully constant throughout, i.e. Liston Smith on piano. Why would they book the Messengers on 11/9, then again 3 weeks later? Of course, Mike F. has all this and much, much more on his laptop so he probably could tell me who was at the Five Spot the whole month - maybe there was another band sandwiched between two Messengers gigs. I'll follow up on this. My guess is this is the gig you saw, since you know it wasn't Corea. Of course, there could have been another Five Spot gig with Mitchell that is not listed in the chronology. If only there were a website listing all the Five Spot gigs... Bertrand. P.S. Looking over this, I see that we just need to get a hold of the Village Voice from 11/18/65. Any pack rats out there?

Who are the other two guys in the picture? Bertrand.

It's grotesque that the CD reissue of 'S Make It featured the truncated version of 'I Had A Ball'. They could have at least put the unedited version as a hidden bonus track. According to the Blakey chronology, the pianist could have been John Hicks, Lonnie Liston Smith, Mike Nock or even McCoy Tyner. Do you remember where you saw them and what year? Bertrand.

So what is the extent of the Frank Mitchell discography exactly? Here's what I can remember off the top of my head (I looked up the dates, of course): Art Blakey: Buttercorn Lady 1/1/66 and 1/9/66 Art Blakey: Hold On, I'm Coming 5/27/66 Lee Morgan: The Sixth Sense 11/10/67 Andrew Hill: 4/19/68 (issued as bonus tracks on the Grass Roots CD) Lee Morgan: Blues For Mr. Tatum 9/13/68 (3 tracks on the Sixth Sense CD, 3 tracks 'rejected') Anything else that I'm forgetting? I know of only one Mitchell composition on these dates: 'Extemporaneous'. That's all I found when I did a copyright search a few years back. That doesn't mean he didn't write other unrecorded and uncopyrighted pieces. They're probably lost forever. The Blakey chronology by Mike Fitzgerald and Steve Schwartz shows him with the Messengers between approximately 8/13/65 and 4/1/67. By 4/30/67, he had been repaced...by Joe Henderson (Billy Harper came in soon after). Note that Keith Jarrett was replaced fairly quickly by Chick Corea. Bertrand.

Two words: Twinkie defense. Bertrand.

I heard she's working on a new record, tentatively titled 'Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?' Bertrand.

I don't give enough of a crap to google this, but I'm 99% sure Ferry has done something like this before. It was around the same time that David Bowie gave the nazi salute at a gig and Eric Clapton praised some bigot - quite a few years ago. I believe these incidents resulted in the formation of RAR (Rock against Racism) by Tom Robinson. Bertrand.

It looks now like the two shootings may have been unrelated. More to come... Bertrand.

I mostly agree with ghost, but I got the feeling it was a pressrelease-type statement, not an answer to a question. In either case, the statement is completely idiotic. The president believes all laws must be followed. Well, duh. As opposed to what? 'The President believes that in some instances, a senseless peacetime mass murder of innocent civilians is justified'? But I regret having brough this up, because some people will want it moved to the political forum. But then I was not the one who started playing politics with this senseless tragedy. Bertrand.

I find this practice by jazz clubs reprehensible. It's a throwback to the cabaret card days. Many bands (mostly rock) will play the Birchmere in Alexandria, VA one night and Ram's Head in Annapolis the next. These towns are way less than 100 miles apart. Are jazz musicians more constricted by this rule than rock musicians? Let's take a hypothetical example to see how it would affect me, the consumer. Hypothesis: Hypothetical musician X (whom I love and go see whenever I can, sometimes driving several hours) is booked to play in Baltimore, about a 50 minute drive for me. Strathmore Hall, which is five minutes from my house, decides to book him on the same tour, but cannot because Baltimore is less than 100 miles from Bethesda. So I have to drive an hour to see him because of this crap? We're not talking about venues that are minutes away from each other; we're talking about an hour plus wear and tear on the car, gas etc. If a band is on tour, they have to drive at least 100 miles from one gig to the next. This adds to their cost, and, like I said, screws the fans over as well. The only restriction I can see is that you cannot take a gig that has no charge to the customer and that is nearby, since the savvy consumer will almost always pick the free gig (as long as the venue is OK). But how many free gigs are out there? I blame it all on Mingus, who used to do shit like playing a museum gig between sets at a club Bertrand.

I beg to differ with Brownian Motion, BTW. I remember mass-shootings in Great Britain, France, Germany and Tasmania by crazed gunmen over the last 20 years. These things do happen more frequently in the U.S., of course, partially because of the lax gun laws. But when a psychotic like this guy (I am sure we are going to learn a lot more about him in the next few days) decides to commit a monstrosity of this nature, no gun laws can stop him. Bertrand.

Several of my co-workers, including the woman who sits right next to me, went to VA Tech. This is just an abomination. Of course, dubya is exploiting this gigantic tragedy for his own political purposes. He has no shame (but we already knew that). Bertrand.

Weren't some of these short sets (like Newport)? Will they combine different artists on one CD? Monk with Swallow should be great - I wonder if Butch Warren had already left, or not yet joined? I posted elsewhere that the Mingus stuff could have been added to the recent UCLA two-fer. I remember reading that it was only a half-hour set. Which track was in the 3-CD box? I had bought a version of 'Isotope' from a 1968 Joe Henderson gig with Booby Hutcherson on iTunes. Was this in the box? I'd love to hear the whole set. BTW, the box is no longer on iTunes. Why would they take things off iTunes? It costs nothing to be on there Bertrand.

The story I had heard was that Mitchell was having an affair with a mobster's wife, and met a gory ending. But what Tom Perchard said may be the real story - I have no confirmation on the story I heard. I believe Buttercorn Lady was on iTunes as one of Verve's iTunes only reissue. I might just get that one day - my Frank Mitchell playlist on iTunes is kinda small Bertrand.

Does anyone have any insider knowledge on Wayne Shorter's possible gigs in France this summer? imnworld.com only shows Marciac so far. I'm especially interested in Paris. Thanks, Bertrand.

What is the name of the Blue Note person who signed it? I can't make it out. Are you going to bid? Bertrand.

'Blue Bossa' is by Kenny Dorham. Bertrand.

The Joe Henderson discography at jazzdiscography.com is actually a chronology/discography, since it lists a lot of gigs that we have no reason to think were actually recorded. Although it is debatable whether or not sessions that were probably not recorded belong in a discography, this leads to mouth-watering entries such as this one: Date: December 14, 1966 Location: Hunter College Playhouse, New York City Label: [no known recording] Grachan Moncur III (ldr), Jackie McLean (as), Joe Henderson (ts), Grachan Moncur III (trb), Stanley Cowell (p), Herbie Lewis (b), Beaver Harris (d) a. [unknown Titles] unissued VV: 8 December 1966, p19. If a tape ever surfaces, I would be all over this one! Bertrand.

I asked 'em to keep it in the can because the drummer sucked. Bertrand.

It did seem a bit convoluted when I wrote it. Maybe breaking into several sentences would have been better. Bertrand.

I decided to delete my post in the spirit of becoming less of a negative person, although some of my co-workers are making it very hard

On the topic of John's influence, Grachan Moncur told me a couple of years ago that when he played with John in the early 80s, he learned a lot from him harmonically. By the way he said it, you could tell he had a deep respect for him and their collaboration. Bertrand.

Plus 'Involution' is the name of a song on the Sam Rivers session that was the other half of the two-fer of which the Andrew Hill session was a part. That would be as illogical as referring to the 1968 Booker Ervin Blue Note session as Back From The Gig. Bertrand.