bertrand

Just saw him with Grachan Moncur on 4/8, and in D.C. back in January. He was scheduled to play in D.C. this week-end. This is really sad news. David Weiss and I were talking about how great he played at the Moncur gig - we agreed that John had really been playing especially well recently. My condolences to his family. Bertrand.

I'm pretty sure a friend of mine has a copy of this, so I think it still exists. It probably was not reissued because there's nowhere really to fit in these few tracks. Bertrand.

Don't hold off on that rare John Patton! Bertrand.

MG, Claude's discographies are not available on-line - contact him to see how to get a copy. I sent him a PM - let's see what his take is on this. I do have both the Collectables CD and a burn of the LP with the 'unedited' version. It's when I saw the differences in the timings that I knew something was up. I like the stereo vs. mono theory. I was going to do a thorough compare, but immediately caught the differences in the head so stopped there. It was 2 AM I will try to compare in the next few days. I'm intrigued by the alternate take idea. I was wondering how to treat this problem on my iPod (remember my Green/Patton playlist?). I was going to REPLACE the burn with the CD. Now I will do that, but keep the vinyl 'Yodel' and call it an alternate! Harold, I'm wondering if they really played the head once and it was repeated in the mono by splicing. The two run-throughs sound very similar. What do you think? You can get the CD from www.oldies.com for under $10 with shipping. I tossed in the Vitous CD for $4 extra. Good deal. Maybe we really need to put in a call to a certain golf course manager Bertrand.

Harold and MG, What are the catalog numbers on your LPs? My theory is that Harold has an earlier version with a head played twice. MG has a reissue where the head was edited, perhaps because the tape went bad or something? Or maybe the first 30 seconds were lost in the great Atlantic warehouse fire Our friend Claude Schlouch may have some explanation in his GG discography. Forgetting any CD reissues, we are confronted with the following fact: some pressings of the vinyl are edited, some not. Perhaps we need to call a certain golf course in Jersey Bertrand.

P.S. To stave off any 'who gives a fuck - just enjoy the fucking music' type replies (you know who you are ), there is a good reason to want to solve this question: it would be useful for any Green/Patton discographers. Bertrand.

At the Miles Davis conference in St. Louis in May 1997 (got to hang with Jackie Mac and Billy Higgins, I sure miss them), they played an interview from before the rasp. No rasp, but he sure was out of it (drugs? temper? arrogance? Who knows). I agree, Wayne does the best Miles ever. Bertrand.

Carl Allen did play in D.C. tonight, so he must have had a sub with Golson. Their website is mum. Bertrand.

I'm floored. In the last 10 years, I've come across a dozen or so people who were working on Morgan bios, including Jeff McMillan (who did his Masters' at Rutgers on Lee, and who I was told is writing his own book) and a friend who occasionally posts here. Yet I've never heard of this guy. I wonder if he has any knowledge of the 60+ unrecorded tunes I found 13 years ago at the Library of Congress. This may or may not be critical information for a Morgan bio (I would lean towards thinking it is), but it deserves at least a mention. But then, Michelle Mercer thought an inventory of Wayne Shorter compositions (including unrecorded copyrights) was not useful for her book, so what the hell do I know. I would certainly be willing to share what I have uncovered with this guy, but he has to find me first I'm tired of talking to people who never follow through. Bertrand.

Well, I can add some to my list: RDK (visited DC last year, and saw him again in LA) Valerie B. (met in LA) Adam (ditto) And, since he was in Joe Chambers' group in NYC on 4/7 (and we spoke): Woody Shaw III (who posts here occasionally) Possibly some others - I'll go through the list again. Bertrand.

OK, I picked up the Oliphant two-fer cheap from oldies.com: $6 + Vitous for $4 (with a missing tune, I know, but only 4 bucks) and $4 shipping - pretty good deal. Here's a weird question, though: on the burn I have of Grass Is Greener, 'The Yodel' is 7:08 (although it says 6:35 on the cover and on the cover reproduced in a post earlier in this thread). On the Collectables CD, the tune is indeed 6:35. I compared them: on my burn, the opening head is played twice, whereas it is only played once on the CD. This adds the missing 30 seconds. Hence, I would assume it was an (unmentioned) edit on the CD BUT, why does the record jacket say the tune is 6:35? Could some pressings of the vinyl have been edited, and others not? For those of you with the vinyl, or the Japanese pressing, how long is 'The Yodel' on your copy? Do they play the opening head once or twice? Very curious. I wonnder if there was an imperceptible hiccup when my friend burned the CD for me which resulted in the head being played twice. Stranger things have happened. Bertrand.

Where's the Kitano? Bertrand.

Carl Allen is supposed to be doing an Elvin Jones tribute tomorrow at the Kennedy Center. Is he double-booked? I'm glad I didn't get a ticket yet. I wonder what's going on. Bertrand.

I just spent 10 minutes flipping through Footprints because Grant Green is not listed in the index. I know there's a quote. I'll try again later. Shoddy workmanship. Bertrand.

This is shaping up to be one of the finest threads in the history of organissimo! Thanks for everyone's input so far. Keep 'em coming! Bertrand.

Kyle Eagle, a young man I met last month at the Grachan Moncur III gig at the Iridium and who is working with Grachan (bookings, website etc.) proposed that I submit some question for a Q & A for Grachan Moncur to be posted on his site (www.grachanmoncur.com). I thought that, rather than just have me ask some questions, I would pool my erudite friends at organissimo and put together a list of questions from everyone (giving credit, of course). So, go ahead and start thinking of questions for Grachan. I'll let this list mount up while I'm on vacation, and put together the final list when I come back (6/10), unless Kyle says he needs it earlier. Some ideas I had: 1) Let's get the whole (accurate) story about Webster Young's role involvement with the Evolution album 2) What new compositions is he working on? (his keyboard player said he had some great new pieces) 3) Did he write any music for the play Blues For Mr. Charlie (that he appeared in) which we might not have heard? Looking forward to everyone's feedback! Bertrand.

An Die Musik on Charles Street, and True Vine somewhere. The latter had a lot of vinyl and a lot of free stuff. The former is worth a stop if you are in the neighborhood (near Peabody Conservatory), but don't go out of your way. Bertrand.

Epistrophy, I was googling him, looking for a bio or something. Not much is known about him. Glad to see he's still around and gigging. David, Have you ever played with him? Bertrand.

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Dang - forgot about the Malcolm Bass thing. Are we ABSOLUTELY sure it's him? Don't plan to buy this one - everyone says it sucks. But then my playlist is incomplete; what's an obsessive-compulsive completist to do? I'm surprised no one asked about how I chose to handle Iron City! Bertrand.

Oh OK, I don't have that one. In case you guys are wondering why I'm asking all this, I just finished putting together a playlist on my iPod of the complete Grant Green/John Patton collaboration. 94 tunes in all! I've been digging it this morning. It's amazing how you discover these hidden gems that you missed the first time around. One example is Don Wilkerson's 'Movin' Out' from Shoutin'! This is a great little composition, in a somewhat whimsical vein. It fits perfectly with this screenplay I've been mentally writing, so much that I'm thinking the whole soundtrack should be Green/Patton. I wish I had connections in the movie biz Next time I see Wayne Shorter (probably in September at the Monk competition), I am tempted to chastise him for his off-hand dismissal of Grant Green in Michelle Mercer's book ('grits and gravy' or something like that - I'll look it up at home). I'm sure he's not listened to that much. I'm tempted to buy him a copy of Got A Good Thing Goin' to set him straight. Someone please talk me out of this before I make a fool of myself! Bertrand.

Can you prove this claim Bertrand.

So I guess Belden was confused. I'll assume that's the case, unless someone else comes in with an explanation. I agree it's hardly an intricate composition. Another question: when Lou Donaldson's Man With A Horn came out, someone pointed out that 'The Hipty Hop' was the same as another tune. Does anyone remember which? Thanks, Bertrand.

In his liner notes to Grant Green's First Session CD, Bob Belden seems to imply that the track entitled 'Grant's First Stand' is redone (presumably under another title) on what was Grant's first official album as a leader, also entitled Grant's First Stand. None of the three Green originals on the latter album has that title, and none match the song with that title from the First Session album. So what was Belden referring to? Is this a piece Grant recorded on another album, and he just got mixed up? Thanks, Bertrand.