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Lon, I think I saw this Japanese CD once at Tower, but it was like $35 and I already had the French CD ) - I assumed it would come out in the US eventually (this was, like, 10 years ago!). I think the first CD is the same as the French single CD, and the second CD is the Five Stars studio session (which I have never heard) with the four tracks listed above. If so, could you confirm that the four tracks are long enough to make up a separate CD. Then maybe Sony will put it out in my lifetime. I'm only 41, there's still hope Bertrand.

OK, let's re-open the issue of the discographical confusion... THE FACTS 1. The new CD claims that CD1 was recorded on 7/26/79, and CD2 on 7/27/79. CD1 has all the material from the French CD (which is the only previous version I have), albeit with slightly different timings, PLUS 'Eye Of The Hurricane', which was mentioned in the liner notes of the French CD as either being unissued because another version appears on Tempest In The Colosseum (1977), or completely unrecorded (depending on which sentence you're reading). Clearly, it was recorded! CD2 is supposedly all unissued material. Only CD2 has a Herbie/Wayne duet, which is therefore allegedly previously unreleased, if you believe the asterisks, and should date from 7/27, if you believe the CD booklet. 2. The French CD HAS a version of the duet (almost the same timing), which it claims is from 7/26. The story about the rainstorm seems to imply that the duet was on 7/26, and was a spontaneous thing (which Herbie also seems to imply in his brief essay in the new CD). Since Belden says very little about the second show, it is not clear if a duet was played there as well. 3. The reproduction of the original LP cover shows that the duet WAS on the original LP. 4. The unremovable sticker on the CD case says there are 66+ minutes of new music. If you count CD2 WITHOUT the duet, it's about 68 minutes. POSSIBLE SCENARIOS 1. A duet was played each night. The original vinyl had the track from the first night, as did the French CD. The new CD leaves off the duest from 7/26 from CD1 for lack of space, but includes a (previously unissued) duet from 7/27 on CD2 because there is room (most tracks are a little shorter on 7/27). Disingenuously, the new reissue does not mention that a previously issued track is omitted for lack of space. OR, more likely, 2. The duet track is actually from 7/26, but included on CD2 for lack of space (I would have put it at the beginning, personally). There was no duet on 7/27 (or at least, it is not being issued here). The asterisks indicating the duet is previously unissued are incorrect, which would explain the 66+ as opposed to the 75+ that you would get if you add up all of CD2. I have not yet had time to A/B the duets from the French reissue and the new CD, but that would help clear this up once and for all. The odds that Wayne and Herbie played the tune the exact same way two nights in a row is highly unlikely (this is not Weather Report). Any other ideas? AUXILIARY QUESTIONS 1. The French CD of Tempest calls the Colosseum Den-en, the French CD of the 1979 concert calls it Denen, Belden calls it Denon. Which is it? 2. Apparently, there was also a huge storm during the 1977 concert! 3. As I mentioned in an earlier post, there is also a studio session from 7/29/79 called Five Stars. It has only come out in Japan. There are only four tracks: 'Skagly' (Hubbard), 'Finger Painting' (Hancock), 'Mutants On The Beach' (Williams) (which later appeared on his Blue Note record Civilization), and 'Circe' (Shorter), which I have been told is actually 'Atlantis'. Does anyone have timings on these? Is this session long enough that it could be issued as a single CD later? Since it would be one CD, Borders could sell it for $27.99. My opinion of this sloppy work on Sony's part: Bertrand.

Do you automatically get 100 euros for being the first to review a CD at amazon.fr If so, I'm going to be doing a lot of reviewing, unless Newt beats me to it. Bertrand.

Thanks for the tip about the Borders price! I'm sure it's an error. I picked up a copy tonight. Bertrand.

I'm surprised no one has responded: 'I'm in there right now, browsing the organissimo forums with my laptop'. Bertrand.

Confession time. For reasons I cannot explain, I completely panic when it comes to trying to start using new technology. I chose my words carefully here: once I get started, I am fine and actually start becoming quite savvy at it. But I just freeze when it comes to getting started. I use computers at work, so it's not like that's the issue. This is the reason it took me forever to start using the web (but now I'm fine with it), this is the reason I am the only person in this forum without an avatar, this is the reason I never post pictures. This is also the reason I have yet to create a website, even though I have a lot of jazz research data I would love to share: I just don't know how to get started. What this is building up to: my wife got me an ipod for our anniversary a month ago, and I have yet to even open the box. I'm just worried that I'll get totally confused and frustrated (also, I have a million other things to deal with right now) and give up on the thing. I know I want to put the entire Jackie McLean discography on this thing, and also download some of those OOP Verve titles they made available through i-tunes. Also, I want to have one version of every Monk tune, just to keep them straight in my mind. So don't be surprised if I start peppering this thread with inane questions - please bear with me, and assume you are dealing with a mentally challenged individual. My first questions (before I even open the box): 1. Once I have some tunes on there, how do I play them back in my car? 2. How do I move the songs from my PC to the ipod? 3. Can I partition the database of songs I created into 'subdirectories', e.g. one directory for Jackie with a subdirectory for each album, and other directory for Monk? Thanks in advance, Bertrand.

I think I know who the high bidder is I'm glad you saw this thread, Mike. Although I didn't have your book here at work, I didn't remember this acetate being mentioned. And of course I remember 'Dancing The Gigi' from the copyright folios. What I'm wondering is how many rare acetates like this are floating around for Gigi or other artists? Who gets a hold of these? How about 'test' pressings (such as the one for Back To The Tracks mentioned in the Brooks Mosaic box booklet)? Where did the Lee Morgan 'River Jordan' lead sheet come from? Is this something IJS can bid on, or do they have no budget for such things? I wonder if this is something the Library of Congress could try to acquire. I would hate to find out it fell in the hands of someone who had no interest in sharing it with researchers. Bertrand.

Remember that picture of the golfer babe that got b3-er in trouble? I'm happy enough with the argument that a lot of these pictures were copyrighted, and their presence here could really screw things up. There are some musician pictures that are also copyrighted that are still up. Try posting a Far Side cartoon and see what happens... B3-er had warned that the thread was on the hit list, so I say good call. Bertrand.

Update: I now have 5 coupons. Bertrand.

Does anyone have the Gryce bio handy? Is this acetate mentioned in there? Bertrand.

I put my e-mail in the box to get the newsletter. The street date is December 6th. I wonder if these will come out in the U.S. as well? If not, I've got to make up a little shopping list for my mother in Paris Bertrand.

It's finally official??? I met a guy from Universal France in Paris back in January at a Wayne concert, and he told me about this reissue series. He asked me to hold off on mentioning it until it was officially announced, and that he would send me an e-mail. Of course, I never got the e-mail. Anyway, I know the Alan Shorter America title is one of the ones coming out and I'm all over that one. Don't know the other titles. Bertrand.

Oh, also, Andrew Hill solo piano on Friday 11/12 at An Die Musik in Baltimore (two shows 8 and 10, $20 each). Three of us are already going. Thought I'd post this as a heads up - seating is limited (80 or so). Bertrand.

I don't know if the coupon is online, but the blurb on the hardcopy seems to imply that you need an original. I was able to fish out two more coupons from the recycling bin at work, so I have 3 so far. I may get two more tomorrow. The coupon is for a free cover (vs. $5). There is no official minimum, but I think they assume that those sitting at tables from which you can actually see the band are spending a bit of money on food or drink. I plan to eat dinner there, but I'm sure you can just get an appetizer or a glass of wine or something. Caveat: the food is pricey; the cheapest thing is a salad for $10-$11, but most dishes are $16-$18. I think the musicians are paid out of this food surcharge, however. I hope some of you can join me on 10/1; it should be fun. I'll try to get more coupons. I'll up this thread as we get closer to the date. Bertrand.

Apparently, Roger Ebert stars in a couple of his movies, and even co-wrote one! Bertrand.

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Mundell Lowe will be at the Smithsonian's Imax Jazz Friday 10/1 6-10 PM. There's a coupon for free cover on page E9 of the business section of today's Washington Post. Anyone interested? Also lots of good concerts at the Kennedy Center coming up in the new year. Bertrand.

I loved her first album. The duet track with Wayne, and the duet with Herbie are gorgeous. Bertrand.

I've never even seen a picture of Gummo. Bertrand.

Charlie Parker?

Wayne Shorter has paintings out there, but it doesn't look like his style at all. Bertrand.

Tina Brooks recorded this tune just 9 days after Wayne. What are the odds of that? Bertrand.

'Rejoyce' is (in my opinion) the best song she ever wrote; I also like 'Hey Frederick' and 'Eskimo Blue Day' a lot, but the former is mostly a jam session (the last 5 minutes or so), and the latter is co-written with Kantner, whose songwriting skills are truly all over the map. Bertrand.

What else is coming out today? Bertrand.