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The head to Joe Henserson's "Shade of Jade" is one that pops into my brain a good bit for no reason, now and then. And that long, lugubrious head to "Stolen Moments" is another (which, oddly, I first heard/learned from Frank Zappa's live take from his 1988 tour (specifically Broadway The Hard Way).

Excellent article on the topic... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/holy-spirits-closed-churches-find-second-life-as-breweries/2017/10/06/1b1c524e-aa99-11e7-9a98-07140d2eed02_story.html?utm_term=.adbf62890cca

I'd go see a touring band of Zappa alums, like the Band From Utopia, in a heartbeat. But marketed as being 'led' buy holo-Fank, I do have to admit that THAT whole idea just seems nuttty. Still, if Ike Willis was up front on lead vocals, and there were enough other members of that '88 touring band in the group, I'd definitely be temped (even if the hologram concept really puts me off). That said, the Zappa family dispute (what I've read about it, any way, not super-closely, but some of it fairly closely from time to time)... ...the Zappa family dispute seems ugly in the extreme, and I have to say that I think Dweezil is definitely getting the shaft from the Zappa Family Trust side of the family. So if the ZFT was (and as I understand, IS) behind the holo-Frank thing, then that would definitely deter me, perhaps no matter who was in the band.

I joked early on in this thread whether the young drummer in question was rushing or dragging, but for the record -- I thought the kind of abuse depicted in Whiplash was pretty despicable, and I recall being pretty disgusted by it in the theater (despite what were obviously some really great performances onscreen). Having seen the video (such as it is), it's a little disturbing as well. But without more facts, I'm not one to make a complete equivalence between Hino's perhaps(?) isolated behavior, and the deeply fucked up 'mind-games' shit going on in Whiplash. More than anything, though, I realize my own opinion matters little -- and so I tend to reserve judgment somewhat in most instances, realizing there's quite a range of possible reasons for thing, anywhere from more "more mild that it appears" all the way to "totally nefarious" -- so it's just simplest to assume the truth is somewhere in the middle. Doesn't excuse the behavior, nor is it ever "right" (so I'm not suggesting it is here, just because I've got a heap-ton of insanely great Hino dates from his younger days). Hell, I've got more artists who I own a disproportionate shit-ton of music by, who were clearly more than just capable of not treating their fellow man (or woman) with anywhere near as much decency as they deserve. I try not to apologize for their behavior either, but neither can I easily ignore their brilliance in other areas. Life's complicated, yo, and so's people -- some way more than others -- and some way uglier than others too. Just exactly HOW ugly this particular incident was, and whether it was representative of a pattern of behavior (or not), is something I'm not likely to ever know (nor any of us, probably). I don't reserve all judgement, but I think it's healthy to try and reserve as much as my distance from the situation (and lack of knowledge of the facts) would seem to suggest is prudent. My two cents, FWIW.

Probably now or never for me, re: the MJQ set. Guess I've got about 90 min to decide. Do I need 4-6 albums of MJQ material?? Hell yeah I do!! But do I need 14(!) - that's quite a lot.

Right that. But as you mention, interestingly (oddly?) the whole rest of the band seems practically identical in their approach, be it with Trane or Stitt. But clearly (at least to me), Miles is really noticeably 'hotter'. And then the band is practically the same (again, sigh) with the Blackhawk material the next year too. I've *never* been able to get all that excited about all those Blackhawk sides with Hank, and though I've never really blamed Hank specifically (I've always just chalked it up to Miles and Hank just operating on slightly different planes, or something like that), maybe it's just as much or more that the rest of the band just seems so workaday - uniformly good (I guess arguably), but uniformly the same or so similar in their approach over 2-3 years. And I'm not recalling Miles being anything like incendiary (like with Stitt), though it's been eons since I've heard any of the Blackhawk material. So maybe it's the rhythm section at the Black hawk (albeit 'just as good' as they were early on), was kind of as much to blame, as the lack of Trane. (Or Miles inability to get them to play with more intensity, not to put all the blame too simply on them).

Been eons since I've heard it, but I don't recall Joe Henderson's take on Porgy & Bess for Verve being any sort of great thing (one of his very last recordings, and maybe his last leader-date - ?). Others might suggest something weird from his Milestone years, but I love all that stuff - every bit.

I could easily see wearing some nice black suspenders, specifically with/over a nice black button-down dress shirt (which I wear about once a week as it is). But other than that, anything that they didn't blend in with (visually), I think l I'd feel WAY too conspicuous wearing suspenders. I used to be quite the schlub for a good decade there (circa 2001-2011), but once I got to D.C., I got back to wearing ties every day to work -- only square-bottom ties (mostly Rooster, but a few other brands too, Ernst was a nice one, out of San Francisco). But yeah, black on black, I could probably work that.

Well, Sal on those Bee Hive sides were SERIOUSLY eye-opening. I was driving at the time, my first time hearing any of the dates with him, and I could not wait for the next rest stop so I could figure out who the heck was playing like THAT - ! About dropped me teeth, to employ another cliche, to be perfectly honest. Wish he'd recorded more, and I need to find more, that I know.

This morning I just scored a seemingly brand new (still sealed!) copy of the OOP Herman Select on eBay -- for only $45.00 (including postage) -- almost can't believe it. Seller wanted almost $55 for it (with a buy-it-now price of that), but left open the option of "Best Offer". So I thought I'd try to get it for $50, so I counter-offered $45 to start with (so $50 was my meet-in-the-middle price), but then he accepted my first lowball offer of $45! Seems to be a seller of a great many things, so he's obviously more considered about volume than price-per-item. Any ANY case, this is actually my first Woody Herman purchase (if you can believe it). And part of what finally drove me to it was how DAMN much I love those 2-3 albums that Sal Nistico is on, on the Bee Hive set (and he seems terribly under-recorded). The first real time I got to spend with the Bee Hive set was in the car, on a road-trip with my father (and my wife) for about 10 days -- for my dad's 90th birthday. (I'd just gotten the set in the mail less than a week before.) So it made for good road-trip music. And those sides with Sal Nistico absolutely demanded my attention, and I remember spinning them twice -- maybe the single biggest surprise out of the entire Bee Hive set, come to think of it. So I'm seeing Sal was part of this band, and seems to have been on most of these specific Herd albums for Phillips. I snoozed on the Woody Herman Select, about which I only had second thoughts too late. Well, seems I may have lucked out in this case -- $45 shipped (still sealed) -- damn!

I'm holding out for... "Valdo Williams Plays (New Advanced Jazz) For Lovers"

I've had that book for years, and it's definitely worth getting.

Ah, good to know! Actually my wife saw this in a guidebook the other night, and asked me about it (and I mean to ask here). I had a hunch that could go either way (given the quality of the jazz museum back in KC, my most recent home before DC). Thank you!

How often does Small's update their calendar? Seem not to have anything listed for October yet (only 12 days out). https://www.smallslive.com/events/calendar/2017/10/ Tempting to hear Renee Rosnes, very much under consideration. Also half considering catching the Ike Willis Project (former Zappa lead vocalist, 1978-88), who I heard 10+ years ago with Zappa tribute band Project Object (and he was pretty amazing). He's at the Iridium, Friday Oct 6th. Still open to other suggestions -- thanks!!

You know, that's not a half bad idea. PM me a list, and maybe 2-3 of the right discs would be plenty. Thx!

So there was a parallel Paris(?) release with Sonny Stitt (like the two sets from Stockholm on Dragon) -- ?? I really LOVE the Stockholm set with Stitt (even more than the Stockholm set with Trane -- because Miles is on fire on the material with Stitt). QUESTION: If so, how does the Paris date with Stitt compare to the Stockholm date with Stitt? I've never run across any (Trane or Stitt) of the Paris material on silver-disc grey-market releases (or not that I ever noticed anyway), which is funny, because there was good decade there (90's and early 2000's) where I used to always hit up certain brick-n-mortars for Miles boots (because they amazingly had them, with some frequency too). But never saw any Paris '60 dates, that I can recall.

The MJQ is the only thing I'm tempted by, though at 7CD's (seemingly 14 albums of material), I think it's easily probably twice as much MJQ material as I'll ever need. Mulling it over, but the Bee-Hive box I got back in May might well be the last ever 'new' Mosaic set I ever buy (unless they surprise me with a brand new release or two in the coming years).

I was faced with a similar quandary when I downsized in the move from Kansas City to Washington DC back around 2010-11. (Not a solution for you, Chuck, I totally realize.) But we had a house we had to get shaped up and put on the market in MUCH shorter order than I would have ever guessed. (My wife decided to start throwing her hat in the ring for DC-based jobs with the Federal department she's worked for, for ~25 years now. She thought it would take 1-2 years before the she got selected for a job that was also a good fit for her (maybe even 3 years?). About a week or so later, out of the blue a job came up that she thought sounded like a good halfway match, which she interviewed for 2 weeks later, got selected for another week later, and then 2 weeks after that she was in DC -- so barely 5-6 weeks after the initial decision just to start looking, she was gone!). So I was faced with downsizing and packing up a 3BR (arguably 4BR) house, so it could all fit in a small 625 sq-ft 1BR apartment, and had to repaint 70% of the interior of the entire house, and get the exterior repainted (which I didn't dare attempt myself - 2 story house), and a whole bunch of other stuff I won't get into the details of. All while working, and while my wife was already in DC. So I "hired" all my under-employed jazz musician buddies to come over and help me pack everything up, and they helped me paint practically the entire house (interior), and I "paid" them in used CD's -- as many as they wanted -- from what I was ditching to cut my collection in half. Ultimately got rid of about 3-4 thousand CD's (still kept close to 4,000). But it was worth EVERY penny I theoretically "lost" by not trying to sell the stuff outright. Got TONS of help packing and moving, and fixing up the house, and loading the moving van even. Would have been a nightmare to try and sell all that stuff on-line, and I wouldn't have gotten more than $.75 per disc trying to sell it to any of the used CD places in town (well more than half of which had closed their doors in the preceding 5 years), to say nothing of the time it would have taken. Good deal all around, for everyone, I think. LOTTA nice guys I knew got a lot of good music out of it, and I was quite happy for all the help.

Never got around to getting Paris, but I've had Stockholm on CD since back around 1991 (a CD release that appears to date from 1987 -- some 30 years ago!). Don't have Copenhagen either, so I suppose I'll get this eventually -- but it's certainly not any kind of priority (the only other thing I have from this tour with Trane is Zurich, which I only got around to picking up the Swiss Radio Days of which maybe 2 years ago). To be honest, I've always preferred Miles with Sonny Stitt (I've had that 13-Oct-60 Stockholm show on CD for over 25 years too). And NOT because I prefer Stitt to Trane, but rather I think Miles plays with a lot more fire (with Stitt), presumably to compensate for the lack of Trane. Fondly remember those two separate 2-CD sets of the two different Stockholm shows, which I found at a record store on my first ever trip to Europe (Barcelona) on a college-choir tour spring of '91. I think I only owned about 100 jazz CD's (at most), but close to 25% of them were all Miles Davis titles. Never dreamed (back then), that I'd stumble on such high-quality live recordings of material from the KOB band (I'd been collecting Jimi Hendrix and Pink Floyd bootlegs for 3-4 years, but never expected to find jazz bootlegs or grey-market stuff -- let alone on CD -- in a million years. A couple short years later, I think I had 6-7 different live Miles grey-market European titles (2nd great quintet, lost quintet, and a couple early 70's dates). And in fact, it really was exactly those 3-4 live discs of live Bitches Brew material and such from '69 that finally got me (more) into the actual Bitches Brew studio takes (which took me the longest to really wrap my (young) ears around). Bitches Brew was really one of the last Miles studio albums I felt like I really "got" (not sure if I'd heard On The Corner yet, by that point). In any case, all those live dates from 67, 69, and 70-71 were revelatory for me back then. That said, this new one isn't my biggest priority, but if it's 3 discs, and I ever see it available for $24 or so, I'm sure I won't have any will-power to resist.

Details please!!! Holy cow, and in a small-group context? Do tell!

I hereby give user "disaac" above right of first refusal (or anybody else here too, just jump on in an contact Allen). But, Allen, if it turns out nobody else here wants 'em -- and before you just go donating them somewhere -- I'm about 90% sure I'd be glad to take 'em off your hands.

First ever concert: Julian Lennon - July 1st, 1986 - Muny outdoor concert series, St. Louis (I was age 17). (My family regularly attended community band concerts, including the local military band out of Scott Air Force Base. And the local Belleville Philharmonic, and occasionally the St. Louis Symphony (maybe once a year, tops). And my mom liked musicals, and we went to hear 4-5 shows every summer at the Muny in St. Louis, which had free(!) seats in the very back 25 rows, farthest from the stage. But until I finally ventured out on my own, gingerly my senior year of high school, I rarely went to hear anything else.) First ever real jazz show that I claim: Either/Orchestra, in a bar in Galesburg, IL in 1990 (my junior year of college). Years later learned then unknown drummer Matt Wilson had recently joined the band, and he was originally from the next town over, and the band also included then unknown John Medeski on Fender Rhodes (bar didn't have a piano). Dug it mightily! First ever actual jazz concert with a named artist (a few weeks before the E/O gig above): The Ed Shaughnessy Tonight Show All Stars (no idea who else was in the group, all then current Tonight Show band members, before Johnny retired a year or two later). First "real" symphony concert (that wasn't Handel's Messiah, or a Christmas Concert, or a college/community orchestra): Chicago Symphony, circa 1991, with Mahler's First on the program (forget the rest of the program).

I'm not uninterested, but please feel free to email Allen (which I haven't even done yet). I just didn't want to pass up such an incredible bargain (only to have them ultimately donated somewhere). But it sounds you have way more definite and specific plans for them than I do. If you'd like to take advantage of the offer, by all means feel free. Or if nobody else wants them here, I'll be glad to take them (but don't have my heart set on them or anything).

By any chance, is there a YouTube upload of the LP version? With the saw; I've never heard it. Or some other streaming source? Thx!

How much to ship to Washington DC? (Zip = 20010) Or lemme know if you need a specific address to price the shipping. I'm about 75% convinced I ought to buy these, and get a decent (modest) system to go with.