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Or maybe that one McLean session with Tryone Washington (and Woody Shaw). Supposedly lost, but a lot more likely "lost" was always my hunch.

Loved the McLaughlin Group back in the day, and even in recent years (when I could remember to catch it). Used to look forward to his show the week of Thanksgiving every year (seriously), for this annual variation of his usual "Bye Bye!" sign-off...

My wife and I are finally headed up to Philly the weekend *after* Labor Day (Sept 9-12), and are wondering what all we should do, see, and hear? She's been there a bunch (20+ years ago), when she lived in DC (she got up there 2-4 times a year, with a good friend of hers back then who was from Philly). Me, on the other hand -- I have only ever been to Philly once, when I was about 12 years old, on a 5-hour layover with my Dad, when we were taking the train from the Midwest to DC. We were in town just long enough to see the Liberty Bell, Ben Franklin's house and/or grave (or something like that), and maybe the Mint (though I don't really remember it). So what all is "MUST SEE" ("must do") in Philly? And anything interesting going on, music-wise, that weekend? We're headed up on the train that Friday morning, and back again Monday evening. The weekend AFTER Labor Day. Also, is Sun Ra's house worth visiting? Probably no, but thought I'd ask (just in case). Some cursory on-line Googling just now seems to indicate Marshall Allen might still be living there (or was as recently as 10 or maybe 5 years ago?), and that there may be some sort of informal Sun Ra Museum that might(?) be available to the public (pretty sketchy and probably WAY out of date info, is my guess). I would have to check my Saturn vinyl at home to be sure, but on-line the address just now came up as: 5626 Morton St, Philadelphia, PA 19144 (which I'm pretty sure I remember as being the address, come to think of it -- also from the backs of two or three pamphlets of Sun Ra poetry have at home, god only knows in which box under the bed, or somewhere). Not getting my hopes up about the Ra house -- I'm sure there's probably not really anything to see, and getting to it could be a pain too (we're mostly going to be taking public transit, though we can also use Zipcar too). Still, if it were easy to get to, and if there was anything actually to see there, I could be tempted. Not the only time we're ever going to Philly, but what all should be on our list of things to consider? Thanks!!

I seem to remember a Beldon "Prince" tribute, similar to the Sting (but no longer have it). Should I have kept t? / should I revisit?

Hagans on Roxanne has always been a favorite. Good disc!

Utility Muffin Research Kitchen, iirc.

I really enjoyed it, so too did my non-Zappa-fan wife.

I may have to track this down. Extensive samples available to listen to HERE - which do sound very good!! EDIT: I see it includes one (or two?) versions of "Love In Outer Space" -- a Ra tune I'm a total sucker for. Very cool to hear him (essentially) with just drummer.

I pre-ordered the Floyd box the day it was announced. Crazy amount of interesting stuff. My pre-order is with Amazon US ($700), but everyone seems to think the price will go down closer to $500/$550 by release date. The only thing more unimaginable than the price, is being without it -- so I bit almost instantly. Other than a ton of Mosaic sets, I think this will be the first non-jazz box set I've ever spent more than $100 on (that I can recall). I usually wait until I can find used copies of stuff, often years after they're first released. Not this one, though, I'm there on day #1 -- plus 5-6 days (because I'm too cheap to pay an extra $7 for 2-day shipping).

Any on-line pics of this thing? - not the actually one in KC, but of what the "78's" version looks like generally? Just curious.

Pretty hard to imagine anyone buying this particular new set (given what it's made up of), without already owning all the master-takes. But I agree, it makes for an easier "comparison" experience to have included them. And yet, I'm betting I'll be mighty tempted to burn me a 2-CD set of just the session reel (and rehearsal) sequences. Still, all in all, I'm thankful this kind of material is seeing the light of day. One could argue the last couple discs of the Miles & Gil Evans box are kind of similar: odds & ends (at best). And yet, I suspect I'll be spinning this Bootleg Series Vol. 5 more often than any of those last couple Miles & Gil "odds and ends" discs. The way I figure, at least they're being open-minded about what kinds of material they're considering for these releases. Not entirely unlike the Jimi Hendirx "Dagger" releases, in a way, which are also (arguably) of lesser interest (especially to general audiences) -- but still kind of revelatory, in their own way.

Yeah, I hear you. If the master-takes are the exact same as what's been released already (I haven't checked the track-times, but I suppose they are identical?) -- then that is unnecessary duplication. But as with all meals, often not every component is necessary - but you get what's on the menu, no substitutions please (period). BTW, my hunch is that "Country Son (rhythm section rehearsal) 7:43" may be be one of the coolest tracks out of the whole set. Sure, it (probably) won't be close a fully-formed "take" -- but much like the rehearsal takes of "I Have A Dream" and "Speak Like A Child" -- it should definitely shed very new light on something familiar.

Well, we all have our price-point, I'm sure. Much as I'm genuinely interested in this set, I'm sure I wouldn't pay more than about $50 for it (tops) -- but thankfully, I don't expect it to go for anything more than about $39 (tops), and it could even be a little less than that (if my guess is right), maybe $36? Every Miles box from Columbia has been enjoyable, each with a number of surprises -- even if every minute hasn't been revelatory. At this point, I'm just kinda shocked that the Miles "Bootleg Series" sets have made it this far, to be honest. After the first three (3), I honestly thought that might be about it -- not that there wasn't more they could do -- but whether they'd even bother, that's what I've always wondered. Overall, they seem to be fairly "thoughtfully" produced, in terms of what material they've included. Not perfect, but in this day and age, what the hell is?

I'm in too. Am sure this will mostly be pretty facinating - if not all equally so, much of it at least.

Jim. you have to get the American Composers Orchestra disc of Symphonies 6, 7, & 9 - which is my favorite (and my wife is even enjoying it this morning too!). I'm really partial to his symphonic works a lot more than his chamber. For years 8 either went unrecorded (or was a bitch to find, in any case) - but it's on a New World Records disc from barely 10 years ago, with works by Aaron Copland (the obscure Inscape from 1967, Coplands last major symphonic work, and it's surprisingly thorny too), and also 1990's works George Perle and Bernard Rands. 4 & 5 plus Sessions' Rhapsody for Orchestra were also on New World in the mid 80's. 1, 2, & 3 were on CRI, most (all?) much older recordings (I can't seem to find recording dates in the liners, but evidence that 2 is in mono). His piano concerto is paired with the 1989 (piano) concerto of Francis Thorn on New World (mid 90's recording). And his violin concerto is paired with Stephan Wolpe's (lone?) symphony on CRI. And finally, his Black Maskers Suite is with Howard Hanson conducting (in 1956) on Murcury, with works by Colin McPhee and Virgil Thomson. Start with the disk of Symphonies 6, 7, & 9, for sure - maybe work backwards chronologically.

Which is such a shame -- the only Larry Young BN title practically never to come out on CD not as part of the Mosaic box. (I say "practically" because there was a Japanese issue about 6-8 years ago, available for about 5 minutes it would seem, which I only found out about 2 years ago - long after it was completely out of print, and impossible to find. Copies come up on eBay every once in a blue moon, but always with "buy it now" prices of like $100 or so.) I do have a legit Larry Young Mosaic set on CD, but would love to have the entire set on individual CD's (and might even sell my LY box, if I did). But for "Heaven on Earth", I could.

Names from the first paragraph of the article: "Piston, George Antheil, Erich Korngold, Peter Mennin, Roger Sessions, Charles Ives, Roy Harris and William Schuman." Before I downsized my collection several years ago (when I moved to DC), I must have had 6 discs of Piston, 4 of Antheil, 7-8 of Korngold, at least 3 of Mennin -- and I *still* have all 12-14 of my Roger Sessions CD's (didn't let go of a single one, iirc) -- and about 25+ discs of IVES. Not much Roy Harris (if any, that I can remember), but at least 3-4 Schuman. And yet I think I've only heard 1 Piston piece live in concert ever, and nothing besides Korngold's great violin concerto (which one can hear 2-3 times a decade, easily, especially if one travels). And BTW, where is Korngold's equally fantastic SYMPHONY?? - in terms of live performances? -- which I rank among my personal favorites of any century or style (along with Baber's rare second symphony). Of course, there's Ives (which does get programmed every now and then -- just heard his second symphony live for the first time earlier this year, by the NSO here in DC). And all the rest, nada. So other than that, I expect to go to my grave never having heard ANY of Sessions brilliant symphonies performed live (especially 6, 7, & 9) -- and scarcely anything else by any of the other names mentioned. And I say that as someone who regularly attended the Kansas City Symphony for 15 years, and cherry-picked all the best that the St. Louis Symphony would program during those same years (post-Slatkin, BTW) -- and now the NSO. Not American, I realize, but the NSO is playing some more outside-the-squares stuff, for instance, I got to hear Hindemith's huge choral/symphonic work "When Lilacs last in the dooryard bloom’d (Requiem for those we love)" last year -- which I'd never expected to ever get to hear live.

Which BN titles?

I just picked up his debut "ETA" on LP a couple weeks ago (by "Robert Watson", BTW). An excellent album, highly recommended!!

What I want to hear most is Wayne's contribution. Wondering if it'll all be on soprano, or if we'll get any tenor. And in either case, how much? Don't expect any of it to be life-altering, but I'm damn curious to hear it.

And a bit more info here, primarily track-times... https://www.discogs.com/Betty-Davis-The-Columbia-Years-1968-1969/release/8695975

Me too, though I'm not sure if I remember Wayne being on that cut (or that he was involved in these sessions). Very interesting, I'm sure if the reviews are even halfway good, I'll go in for a copy.

It's a hell of a good date, but still no Trainwreck. ;-)

Pretty good price, carpe diem... https://www.dustygroove.com/item/804792

Hell yeah, I'd pre-order that one!