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I pre-ordered the Floyd box the day it was announced. Crazy amount of interesting stuff. My pre-order is with Amazon US ($700), but everyone seems to think the price will go down closer to $500/$550 by release date. The only thing more unimaginable than the price, is being without it -- so I bit almost instantly. Other than a ton of Mosaic sets, I think this will be the first non-jazz box set I've ever spent more than $100 on (that I can recall). I usually wait until I can find used copies of stuff, often years after they're first released. Not this one, though, I'm there on day #1 -- plus 5-6 days (because I'm too cheap to pay an extra $7 for 2-day shipping).

Any on-line pics of this thing? - not the actually one in KC, but of what the "78's" version looks like generally? Just curious.

Pretty hard to imagine anyone buying this particular new set (given what it's made up of), without already owning all the master-takes. But I agree, it makes for an easier "comparison" experience to have included them. And yet, I'm betting I'll be mighty tempted to burn me a 2-CD set of just the session reel (and rehearsal) sequences. Still, all in all, I'm thankful this kind of material is seeing the light of day. One could argue the last couple discs of the Miles & Gil Evans box are kind of similar: odds & ends (at best). And yet, I suspect I'll be spinning this Bootleg Series Vol. 5 more often than any of those last couple Miles & Gil "odds and ends" discs. The way I figure, at least they're being open-minded about what kinds of material they're considering for these releases. Not entirely unlike the Jimi Hendirx "Dagger" releases, in a way, which are also (arguably) of lesser interest (especially to general audiences) -- but still kind of revelatory, in their own way.

Yeah, I hear you. If the master-takes are the exact same as what's been released already (I haven't checked the track-times, but I suppose they are identical?) -- then that is unnecessary duplication. But as with all meals, often not every component is necessary - but you get what's on the menu, no substitutions please (period). BTW, my hunch is that "Country Son (rhythm section rehearsal) 7:43" may be be one of the coolest tracks out of the whole set. Sure, it (probably) won't be close a fully-formed "take" -- but much like the rehearsal takes of "I Have A Dream" and "Speak Like A Child" -- it should definitely shed very new light on something familiar.

Well, we all have our price-point, I'm sure. Much as I'm genuinely interested in this set, I'm sure I wouldn't pay more than about $50 for it (tops) -- but thankfully, I don't expect it to go for anything more than about $39 (tops), and it could even be a little less than that (if my guess is right), maybe $36? Every Miles box from Columbia has been enjoyable, each with a number of surprises -- even if every minute hasn't been revelatory. At this point, I'm just kinda shocked that the Miles "Bootleg Series" sets have made it this far, to be honest. After the first three (3), I honestly thought that might be about it -- not that there wasn't more they could do -- but whether they'd even bother, that's what I've always wondered. Overall, they seem to be fairly "thoughtfully" produced, in terms of what material they've included. Not perfect, but in this day and age, what the hell is?

I'm in too. Am sure this will mostly be pretty facinating - if not all equally so, much of it at least.

Jim. you have to get the American Composers Orchestra disc of Symphonies 6, 7, & 9 - which is my favorite (and my wife is even enjoying it this morning too!). I'm really partial to his symphonic works a lot more than his chamber. For years 8 either went unrecorded (or was a bitch to find, in any case) - but it's on a New World Records disc from barely 10 years ago, with works by Aaron Copland (the obscure Inscape from 1967, Coplands last major symphonic work, and it's surprisingly thorny too), and also 1990's works George Perle and Bernard Rands. 4 & 5 plus Sessions' Rhapsody for Orchestra were also on New World in the mid 80's. 1, 2, & 3 were on CRI, most (all?) much older recordings (I can't seem to find recording dates in the liners, but evidence that 2 is in mono). His piano concerto is paired with the 1989 (piano) concerto of Francis Thorn on New World (mid 90's recording). And his violin concerto is paired with Stephan Wolpe's (lone?) symphony on CRI. And finally, his Black Maskers Suite is with Howard Hanson conducting (in 1956) on Murcury, with works by Colin McPhee and Virgil Thomson. Start with the disk of Symphonies 6, 7, & 9, for sure - maybe work backwards chronologically.

Which is such a shame -- the only Larry Young BN title practically never to come out on CD not as part of the Mosaic box. (I say "practically" because there was a Japanese issue about 6-8 years ago, available for about 5 minutes it would seem, which I only found out about 2 years ago - long after it was completely out of print, and impossible to find. Copies come up on eBay every once in a blue moon, but always with "buy it now" prices of like $100 or so.) I do have a legit Larry Young Mosaic set on CD, but would love to have the entire set on individual CD's (and might even sell my LY box, if I did). But for "Heaven on Earth", I could.

Names from the first paragraph of the article: "Piston, George Antheil, Erich Korngold, Peter Mennin, Roger Sessions, Charles Ives, Roy Harris and William Schuman." Before I downsized my collection several years ago (when I moved to DC), I must have had 6 discs of Piston, 4 of Antheil, 7-8 of Korngold, at least 3 of Mennin -- and I *still* have all 12-14 of my Roger Sessions CD's (didn't let go of a single one, iirc) -- and about 25+ discs of IVES. Not much Roy Harris (if any, that I can remember), but at least 3-4 Schuman. And yet I think I've only heard 1 Piston piece live in concert ever, and nothing besides Korngold's great violin concerto (which one can hear 2-3 times a decade, easily, especially if one travels). And BTW, where is Korngold's equally fantastic SYMPHONY?? - in terms of live performances? -- which I rank among my personal favorites of any century or style (along with Baber's rare second symphony). Of course, there's Ives (which does get programmed every now and then -- just heard his second symphony live for the first time earlier this year, by the NSO here in DC). And all the rest, nada. So other than that, I expect to go to my grave never having heard ANY of Sessions brilliant symphonies performed live (especially 6, 7, & 9) -- and scarcely anything else by any of the other names mentioned. And I say that as someone who regularly attended the Kansas City Symphony for 15 years, and cherry-picked all the best that the St. Louis Symphony would program during those same years (post-Slatkin, BTW) -- and now the NSO. Not American, I realize, but the NSO is playing some more outside-the-squares stuff, for instance, I got to hear Hindemith's huge choral/symphonic work "When Lilacs last in the dooryard bloom’d (Requiem for those we love)" last year -- which I'd never expected to ever get to hear live.

Which BN titles?

I just picked up his debut "ETA" on LP a couple weeks ago (by "Robert Watson", BTW). An excellent album, highly recommended!!

What I want to hear most is Wayne's contribution. Wondering if it'll all be on soprano, or if we'll get any tenor. And in either case, how much? Don't expect any of it to be life-altering, but I'm damn curious to hear it.

And a bit more info here, primarily track-times... https://www.discogs.com/Betty-Davis-The-Columbia-Years-1968-1969/release/8695975

Me too, though I'm not sure if I remember Wayne being on that cut (or that he was involved in these sessions). Very interesting, I'm sure if the reviews are even halfway good, I'll go in for a copy.

It's a hell of a good date, but still no Trainwreck. ;-)

Pretty good price, carpe diem... https://www.dustygroove.com/item/804792

Hell yeah, I'd pre-order that one!

Isn't defining what "is" and what "isn't" a particular kind of music (or what that music is "supposed to be" about) -- either explicitly, or by inference -- more the purview of the Wynton Marsali and Stanley Crouches of the world?

Another possible touchstone - several tracks from Brains on Fire are more than just a little Trainwreck-esque (and more so than even Natural Essence).

First, I must confess I've always put all my discretionary spending money in music (mostly CD's, a few LP's) -- and rarely into stereo equipment. I certainly don't fault those who do otherwise, but please know I'm not looking for the "highest" high-end equipment. That said, decent sound would be nice of course, but my wife and I live in a small apartment, and my definition of "decent" may be a different than the norm around here. We had a nice-ish multi-disc player, that also played DVD's (a JVC, iirc), but it finally bit the dust a couple months ago. Ideally I'd like to replace it with something similar, but I'm not wed to having DVD capabilities (we rarely watch DVD's, and can easily look at them on our laptop). And I don't own even one Blueray, so you can see where my priories are (in terms of visual media). So, the things I would like, in priority order, are: CD player - could be a single-disc player, but a 3-disc multi-disc player would be OK too. Don't need a 5-disc (or 6 disc) player, and multi-disc is really not a huge priority. FM receiver - not an absolute requirement, but it would be nice to put on NPR in the other room (we currently only listen on an old clock-radio, and a very simple single-CD/FM bookshelf system in our bedroom. Optional, but nice, would be to be able to hook my iPhone into the system, to play Pandora or other steaming music (from my phone), through the system. Not an absolute requirement, but if it were an easy feature to get, I'd be tempted. And that's basically it. So, I could easily go with a really basic BOSE Wave Music System IV, to be honest. And although separate (bookshelf-size) speakers is fine (and what I had most recently had separate speakers) -- the size of our (small) apartment means that a Bose would probably be just fine too (our apartment is only one bedroom, and 630 square feet total -- and the living room/dining room/kitchen really feel like one big room (and only the bedroom is really separate). I've been to a couple retail places, and (as you can imagine), the choices are EXTREMELY limited for stereo systems that play CD's. (But I still own about 3,000 CD's, and buy about 50-60 more each year -- down from 150-200 per year when I was at my worst, like 15 years ago.) Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Very much appreciated?? Oh, budget. Well, I'm a cheapskate, so whatever it costs, I'm sure it's gonna be at least double what I think I ought to be spending. That said, I also know you get what you pay for too (I'm a firm believer in that, despite my cheapskate-leanings). So absolutely has to be well less than $1,000 -- and frankly, something closer to $500-$600 would be appreciated. Don't know if that's grounded in reality (the Bose is $500, and I know that's a little high for what it is), so surely $600 ought to be the top. I haven't bought a new system in probably 12-14 years, and never paid more than $300-$350 for my prior (integrated) bookshelf systems -- if that gives any sort of indication. But I realize 10-15 years ago was a long time ago, and I know prices will have gone up (and there's probably not much in the way of mid-range quality stereos any more -- it's probably all "more than reasonably good" or else "crap" (with little in between). Just imagine you're wanting to buy something for your office, or den -- not your "main" system -- what would you get these days? Thanks again!

Out of curiosity, how did they charge for a partial like that? Did it include the booklet and outer box? Which discs are you missing?

Just came out of the theater here in DC. Fun movie. Some will hate it, but I liked it quite a bit. Felt like there was probably a fair bit of 'truth' about Miles within the fictionalized narrative. Cheadle did a great job acting, and a generally good directing (though maybe not award-worthy). And even a fair number of facts surrounding the 1979-era plot-line were (as best I'm recalling), true as well - or certainly based in fact. (Don't want to give away plot details, but what is actually known about those actual still unreleased 1978 sessions is not inconsistent with how they're ultimately represented in the film). A net positive, far as I'm concerned. Could have been told with a lot more traditional narrative, but been less interesting. Sounds like it was impossible to get made, so you have to admire Cheadle's willingness to think outside the box and take chances. Some of those chances work, maybe some not as well. But still worth seeing. No regrets, and I'd watch it again.

Thanks for the tips. I'll probably have to decide in about 3-4 days, so I can get my train tix. Is there a good classical music calendar on-line anywhere for NYC? (The right obscure 20th century composer might temp me too.) Thanks again!

Looks like I'm going to be in NYC for work Thu & Fri that week, and could stay over until Saturday (or even Sunday, I suppose). Thing is, there's a rare Gary Thomas live date (with him as the leader) back here in Baltimore on Saturday (4/23) that I'm really tempted to go to, but I could otherwise catch something in NYC on Friday night (4/22). Checked the Village Vanguard and Smalls schedules, but have to confess I'm ignorant of the whole scene otherwise in NYC. Anything going on then that I should be aware of? Jazz, or even Classical (strong preference for 20th Century, or late-late Romantic-era stuff). Thanks!!

Regardless of the title, if you total up all the different released Gil versions (omitting the version on Etcetera), there are by my count at least 8 issued versions over the years (or 9 with the Shorter version). So clearly a tune that lived strong in Gil's band's book for a long time. Again, why in the devil did those first three -- and arguably the very BEST three -- versions of the tune just languish in the vaults for 33, 10, and 15 years each (respectively)?