Rooster_Ties

Meaning the discs were in the box???????

OK, here's why I really started this thread.... What the hell is "kartoffel hadi blues"??? I think "Kartoffel" is the word for "potato", and this is born out by the fact that I get images like this when I do a Google image search on "kartoffel"... But what's "hadi"??? And, all together, is "kartoffel hadi blues" some reference to some actual cultural phenomenon?? I won't reveal the origin of "Rooster Ties" until potato-boy comes clean...

Thank you, Chuck, thank you, thank you, thank you. I can't tell you how good it feels to get some (more) recognition that this is an important topic. (Not that I want the recognition, which I don't) - but that I want the topic to have some recognition, and some more participation. And if I might be curt for a moment, I think this really is an important topic - and there are a whole bunch of you that post all the time in many, many of the political threads. Suck it up, and post your thoughts here. Yeah, this ain't easy, but it does matter - and I think it matters more than most of the "he said, she said" style political arguments/banter than goes on in this area of the board. That has it's place (which is fine), but often it isn't aimed at an honest exchange of ideas, and certainly isn't aimed towards finding some constructive ideas for change. All that said, I'll also say that I truly appreciate the feedback this thread has already gotten already, and I genuinely welcome some more feedback about this topic, from all viewpoints. And, while I'm on a bit of a tear (I'm 'buzzing' a bit now, which I don't frequently do -- the pitcher of margaritas my wife and I got at dinner was twice as big as we expected, and I drank 2/3rds of it, cuz she drinks even less than I do - and luckily we walked to a restaurant that was only two blocks from our home, that we somehow had never been to in our 6 years of living in this neighborhood), I want to publicly thank Conn500 for stepping back towards the 'center' in his argument against Affirmative action. I don't think he's changed his opinion about it (nor do I think he should, necessarily), but I can't say how much I appreciate his willingness to step back a little from his prior post, and rethink his position, or at least re-explain it in a way that is a little less --- god, how to say this without seeming like I was offended by it, which I wasn't --- to re-explain it in a way that recognizes that other people might have other opinions which might also be (at least) grounded in some observations that have some validity too. (And IMHO, we don't see this kind of behavior nearly enough in our political threads. Thank you, Conn500.) Hey board mods!!! (b3-er and/or Use3D) how's about we get this topic 'pinned'??? I keep trying to find subtle ways of bumping it up in the list of daily topics, and frankly, I think this is one of the most important political threads going on now. Thanks!!! -- Rooster T.

I hear ya, Chuck, and I'd welcome some discussion outside of those 'core' years of 55-65 too, and even outside of my core years of 63-70. I know you're more a topic contributor (and a valued one at that!!!!) - but I'd love to see you start some topics that pushed things somewhere else a bit. Start a Mahler thread, or an Ives thread, or Stravinsky. Somewhat 'safe' choices, to be sure, but ones that are likely to garner some responses, as opposed to my favorites - Hans Werner Henze, Roger Sessions, Carl Ruggles, Ernst Toch, Ernest Krenek, and well - you get the idea. I'm sure your favorites are also obscure, perhaps even more so. But, I do think this is the best board I know of today, and I'm sure glad it's here.

Damn, I could have sworn it was somebody that people had heard of more. Like Thad Jones, or Carmell Jones, or Elvin Jones (Ok, that last one was just a joke). Still, I'm surprised it wasn't somebody I'd ever heard before, let alone someone I'd never even heard of.

It's not really Webster Young, is it??????????????????????????????? I remember this thread back on the BNBB, and shit if I can remember who the real answer was, other than I vaguely remember that it was somebody that I kinda had some familiarity with, at least a little bit. And I don't think I've ever heard of a "Webster Young", so that's why I don't think that's who it is. Maybe it is, but I'd be surprised. Damn, Daniel A, you would post that entire thread, and then leave out the final payoff. I remember the thread like it was yesterday, and I reread it all just now, and was about to savor the answer - only to be left hanging!!!!!!!!

OK, who'm I kidding!!! This place is GREAT!! Nearly as good as all the best things I used to like about the BNBB. This is, by far, the best jazz board anywhere.... Great vibe, cool discussion, good topics, lots of people who aren't all "such and so kind of jazz is the only kind of jazz that's any good", plenty of Andrew Hill and Larry Young fans, Sam Rivers, Ornette, you name it. I'm normally loath to say things like this, but.... THIS PLACE ROCKS!!!!

yeah, I guess, all in all, for the most part, it's a pretty "OK" board... I try to lurk here - - but maybe sometimes I end up posting a little more often than I intend to.

Perhaps, in certain specific instances (including, apparently, some places you've worked, or at least where you're working now), but I do not believe this is widespead. At least I've not seen this in any of my 10 years in the workforce. It would depend on what you mean by 'extra benefits' and 'aid', in terms of what the manager at your (current?) sales job would offer you, if you were Black. Could you explain a bit more?? What kinds of "benefits" and "aid"?? You say "professionally, [being black] would be a tremendous boost!". I don't question this statement entirely, but I'd have to know a bit more about where you work to even begin to understand it. Ain't nothin' like I've ever heard of. PS: Does this mean I can't possibly invision a situation where Blacks get preferential treatment over whites?? No, I'm sure that does happen, in some cases. But widespread preferential treatment of Blacks over whites?? - personally, I doubt it.

There was some talk back on the BNBB about BN re-releasing the complete Dex BN set, using the exact same masters, in some sort of "less-expensive-to-produce" packaging. Think "Complete Herbie Nichols" or "Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse" type packaging, or maybe something similar to the recent 4CD "Grant Green" and "Horace Silver" retrospectives. (In any case, something that will have CD's in jewel-boxes of some sort.) Nothing is at all definite (far from it, from what I remember), but if if it were ever re-released again, that's what we'd probably see. No sonic upgrade, just a straight release of the same material. (I don't own the Dex box, and would greatly prefer the proposed "simpler" packaging, over those fold-out-long-box things, which I don't care for much at all.)

I have mixed feelings, both pro and con, about Affirmative Action. Noj, I think your point about financial background (which really means "class", in some sense) has some potential worth exploring. And, in many ways, I think some kinds of racism are driven as much (or more) by "class"-predjudice, as much as actual "race"-predjudice. Or, I guess another way of saying it is this: I think there would be (perhaps) less racism in this country if all races were equally represented across all economic levels. There would still be "class"-ism, sure, and there will always be people who don't like people of different races simply because they're different, and often represent some sort of threat (real, or imagined). But, I think quite a few (white) people dislike minorities, simply because in their city or part of the country, most or nearly all of the minorities they encounter, belong to a lower class than they do.

OK, I've read about this 100 times, but never can remember the details. (I've never owned "Iron City", or I'm sure I'd have a better handle on this.) Isn't it really Larry Young on all (or at least part) of Iron City??? By the way, this is as good/bad a place as any to ask - what do people think of Iron City?? I've been tempted to track it down a time or two, but never have made the effort to, least not yet anyway. Should I???

vs.

I don't think this was ever released as a Rare Groove title (nor has it ever been released on CD in the U.S., as far as I know), but I've always wondered about Lonnie Smith's "Turnin' Point". What with Lee Morgan, Bennie Maupin, Julian Priester, Melvin Sparks, and Idris Muhammad - it's gotta be a monster, yes??? No??? How is it compared to "Think!". (And, wouldn't it be a highly logical release for the Rare Groove series here in the U.S.???) I know it's been released on CD in Japan, but I've always been outbid for it on eBay. I see that it's also now in that new Spanish Blue Note series (talked about in another thread), the one with the goofy blue and orange covers.... At least in this case, the cover doesn't change all that much.

Thanks, Chuck, for sharing your thoughts on this topic - I appreciate it. And do feel free to ramble away!!

Check out my new Avatar, and signature!!! :rsmile:

Sounds like a great title for an album, although probably not a jazz album.

That's a darn good price on the McIntyre set. (I don't love it enough to have paid full price for it when it came out, but I found one used for $16 or so, and felt it was worth picking up for that price.) NOTE: There were/are a few other slightly rare BN titles, at that same McIntyre link provided above. I won't list them here, but they're all listed right on the first page that the link points to, album covers and everything. Check it out!!!

Also, not on any time-limit, there are a couple good Andrew Hill 'audio' things here too... http://www.andrewhilljazz.com/index2.html First, go to the "mp3's" link, on the left side of the page, for a 5-part (hour-long total) solo piano performance from Hill, recorded sometime in 2000 or 2001 (in London). And, there's a 3-part (hour-long) on-line BBC documentary on Hill, with a couple vinyl-only tunes and lots of great interviews, click the "press" link on the left side of the main page. Enjoy!!

Up... Set your VCR's, or catch it the next day on Comedy Central (presumably).

I'll confess, I'm still sitting on a band new, still sealed, extra TOCJ CD of Tyrone Washington's "Natural Essence". Not sure what it'll take for me to try to sell it, or trade it (more likely trade), but I've got it. I used to have an extra Lee Morgan "Procrastinator" TOCJ too, for about 6 months, but I was incredibly nice and outright gave it to a friend of mine. Then again, a couple years before, this same friend gave me one of those $60 Blue Note watches that BN was selling back in the early-to-mid 90's. It wasn't that he and I were really close friends, or that he really owed me anything - it was just that he never, ever wore a watch - and being a utilitarian sort of guy, he felt better about it belonging to someone who did wear watches. I kinda figured I owed him one... Anybody sitting on any extra Mosaic sets?? I’ve thought about buying duplicates once or twice, but I’ve never had the cash at the time to do it. Of course, now, we all wish we had gotten extra Larry Young sets, and extra Andrew Hill sets, and - well, you get the picture. What "speculative" buying do you do?? (if any) Hey Dmitry, you still got that sealed 'Nat King Cole' Mosaic, that you found in a store last year, under half-an-inch of dust, for like $150??? It's still sealed, I hope, right??

RT, that's exactly why Patton is so good. "Groove" plus "out" = "pure joy"... See also....

Oh, that's what those unspecific "medical reasons" were.

"Boogaloo" is like a terminally groovy version of Larry Young's more 'out' dates. It's the closest Patton ever got to Larry Young's more progressive vision. Maybe I should be more careful when I talk it up so much --- it's not the "end all and be all" of all groovy music, and I don't want to set people's expectations too high. But I sure as hell like it!!!!!

You gotta get John Patton's "Boogaloo". It's a little 'out' at times, but it never looses the groove. It's my all-time favorite Patton release, period. Hard to believe it sat in the vaults, unreleased, until 1995. By the way, Bill, let me extend an offical welcome to you!! - and a hope that you'll stick around and post a bunch here. For me, the vibe here is all of the best things I liked about the old BNBB. B) B) B) Also, here's a couple generic searches for Patton's "Boogaloo"... eBay search for "john patton boogaloo" and half.com search for "john patton boogaloo" Damn, neither search has a hit now, but check back later. I think it's the best Rare Groove ever!!