Guy Berger

So I got around to the 2nd disc, the one recorded at Slugs. I think it's better than the Judson Hall performance.

Musicians are human beings. Some like chatting with strangers who approach them with the presumption of familiarity (and, to be fair, who help pay the musicians' rent), some do not.

Is the Antilles album available on cd, or LP only?

An underwhelming album.

Here's an easy answer without taking the quiz - all of us would have almost certainly been subsistence farmers, living a miserable life, producing lots of offspring, and dying an early death.

Is it a 2 disc set? Also, oddly, I'm seeing conflicting release dates - Amazon says January 27th, but the ECM press release posted elsewhere on Org says March.

Ha! Different strokes, I guess - I thought Lathe of Heaven was great, as was the live performance of this band that I saw shortly after the album's release.

Picked this up. So far have just listened to the first disc. I'm a big fan of pre-Atlantic Lloyd and this one doesn't disappoint (though I'd put it behind Discovery if I had to choose). Lloyd's less obviously influenced by Coltrane here than on some later recordings. I'm surprised nobody has yet commented on the hilarious Hugh Lawson ("Hugh Glover") anecdote in the liner notes!

More working through the backlog - over the past few weeks I've been listening to the CDs of Grand Wazoo and Waka/Jawaka that I got about 6 years ago. Great stuff - at least, the instrumental sections.

Ah! Makes sense. Apparently some of the performances from the concert are online here.

How did it sound as a performance, Chuck? (If you don't mind me asking, of course!)

Sorry, will correct the original post!

Amazing that someone can cite the Crouch piece without irony in 2014. Amazing.

I decided to put this here instead of in the main ECM thread because I'm guessing the interest will be more general - but in January, ECM will be releasing a 2013 live recording of a quintet with Jack, Muhal Richard Abrams, Roscoe Mitchell, Henry Threadgill and Richard Larry Gray as a 50th anniversary tribute to the AACM (with compositions by Jack, Muhal, Roscoe, Henry as well as some collective improv). It's live so some of Manfred Eicher's more controversial production choices should be less less disruptive, I'm guessing.

I'll have to explore the posthumous TC releases at some point - I have only the Knitting Factory box. Sky Piece is magnificent and Night Bird Song is not far behind.

David, I generally enjoy reading your contributions here and have nothing against you personally - but either you misunderstood what I meant by "leading edge", or you're completely nuts!

****** T H I S ****** Also, if Miles was terribly unhappy with Coltrane's playing in the spring of 1960, why did he invite him back to play on Someday My Prince Will Come? Looks like Miles, all his life, saw where the leading edge was and reacted against it. Bop, Parker? Miles invented a contrary modern jazz, birth of the cool. Hard bop, with its soul and little big bands? Miles' contrary music was the Gil Evans works on the one hand, his evolving quintet, including the radical Trane, on the other hand. Was Ornette's freedom now the leading edge? Folks, here are modes, easier for your digestion. Yet in spite of Miles' nastiness toward Ornette, Miles' quintet, as Hancock pointed out, evolved to become Ornettelike. The subsequent years of fusion adventures, nearing half of his musical life, were a retreat of sorts. Leading, retreating, so what. He played a lot of the best music ever. John, agreed with everything you said... up until the 'subsequent years of fusion adventures' being a 'retreat'. You could make a pretty strong case that 1969-1975 was about as far out on the leading edge as MD ever got. Also wanted to highlight this great observation by Jeff! Obviously it's a matter of taste whether someone prefers Cannonball or Coltrane on the 1958-59 recordings. But it's pretty clear who *Miles* preferred as a ballad player - only one saxophonist plays on "Blue in Green".

I'm glad we have the Stitt stuff - it's always nice to have variety. But put me on team Coltrane.

Very cool. Thank you!

Amazing album (though not necessarily my fave Coltrane). Thank you John.

If I had to grab two Jackies, it would definitely be Let Freedom Ring and, depending on my mood, either Right Now or One Step Beyond.

Potter has a new one coming out on ECM in January - Imaginary Cities - with Craig Taborn, Adam Rogers, Steve Nelson, Scott Colley, Nate Smith, Fima Ephron, and a string quartet (including Mark Feldman).

No; there'll always be neo-jazz. MG So what is the cutoff year for "real jazz" then? If all new musicians play "neo-jazz" then that means at some point the original version ceased to exist and has been replaced by a facsimile. What year did that happen out of curiosity? 1994 OK, a word of explanation. When creative jazz ceases to command the enthusiasm of youth in the ghetto, the supply of talent dries up. Not that white musicians can't or haven't made fine contributions to the development of jazz, but the thrust has always come from the ghetto. Without that thrust the music is something else. The extent to which creative jazz engages the enthusiasm of young people in the ghetto can be seen in the jazz albums that make the R&B album charts. So, this little lot made the R&B charts in 1994. Kenny G - Miracles: the holiday album Us 3 - Hand on the torch Al Jarreau - Tenderness David Sanborn - Hear say David Benoit & Russ Freeman - Benoit/Freeman project Norman Brown - After the storm Gerald Albright - Smooth Najee - Share my world Bob James - Restless George Howard - A home far awy Paul Hardcastle - Harcastle Russ Freeman - Sahara Diane Reeves - Art & survival Everett Harp - Common ground Incognito - Positivity Jonathan Butler - Head to head Miki Howard - Miki sings Billie Nancy Wilson - Love Nancy Phil Perry - Pure pleasure Tom Scott - Reed my lips MG Revisiting... but why are you so sure these recordings were engaging "young people"?

"We're Reaching the Bottom of the Barrel" Day?

I like the sideman appearances mentioned here, but they also go to showcase that Jackie brought a real vision to his leader dates. Can't say that about all of his contemporaries.