Big Beat Steve

I can only speak for myself but I find it impressive.

Ha, thanks for the reminder! I'ved owned this "Anonymous Mr. Gillespie" sit in my record shelves for close to 30 years, ever since I bought it new in the shop back then. But I did not fully realize that it includes those rare tracks withdrawn following the objections of the Kern estate. (Amazing considering that All The Things You Are had been given the works by Diz and Bird the year before - any MANY other modern jazz artists recorded it too, so they would have had a handful to do if they had gone on to sue all these ... tin-eared as they were ...).But itÄs nice to see what the package of the original issue looks like. Time to spin the reissue again ...

Here too. "Esprit de corps" is what it is called. Except that it is a pretty rotten "spirit". OTOH over here some political decisions from "interested circles" at power all too easily tend to reverse the accusations and make the police appear guilty until proven innocent (in whatever confrontation, even with what are just criminals) will fuel this esprit de corps of the police. A lose-lose situation for everyone else. I am afraid this is how such things work at all in the first place. Everybody (many of whom ought to know better) ducking away behind the "just obeying orders" one-excuse-fits-all approach. Been seen before. Up to and including in circumstances that I sincerely hope the US will never reach.

I was definitely not referring to the Corona virus threads (the subject of which is far from minor to all of us and important enough for sure and I would have prefered the threads to continue with more leeway but that's only me) but to much, MUCH older political discussions about what local/regional politicker did what (or not) on what fiscal or credit matter or whatever from some reach of every day life and how forumists got all excited about what could not be because it should not be because it came from the wrong political camp. Where positions seemed to be carved into stone for ideological reasons beyond belief. Much more agitated than anything discussed here and rather baffling (and unnecessary) to non-US onlookers.

Maybe it is an indicator that this matter is REALLY serious and worries a lot of US forumists deeply? Contrary to this or that political discussion in the past about some (objectively speaking) minor domestic matter of not that great consequences overasll that some hick in the stick politician wanted to enact (or prevent) and that gave rise to flame wars here anyway because hotly partisan Reps and Dems went at each other's throats as a matter of principle? This here seems to be different. Different enough not to turn a blind eye on it. And as an outside observer I do understand their concerns. Clifford Thornton's analogy of silence = complicity is comprehensible. After all you can ride a principle (such as this "no politics") to death and find yourself in some cloudcuckooland that all of a sudden isn't that cosy anymore either because the world out there IS still there and most of what happens there (and affects everybody'y lives) IS political.

Which would be all the more of a shame, then, that, of all armies, the Red Army in Moscow of 1991 (yes, dem Commies!) did NOT obey orders when a group of Army leaders tried to overthrow Gorbachev and turn back Perestroika.

Daniels has said (and nailed) it all. The live recordings issued'/reissued by Dragon have been licensed from Swedish Radio, and considering the stature and responsiblity of this public (!) radio corporation I'd be very surprised if the radio people did not have the paperwork to prove they are entitled to make (or grant) use of the recordings made for THEM according to however THEY see fit. Not any different from what the (Swiss) Montreux Jazz label or the (German) JazzHaus/SWR Music label does. And what Jim Sangrey said about the performers signing contracts with the radio stations to enable the radio station to make use of the recordings has indeed been mentioned in various sources related to this sort of releases. Anyway ... it remains funny how many on the US side keep nagging about what can rightfully be issued and reissued elsewhere off the US shores - strange that no complaints are made against Japanese reissues (oh so dear to the hearts of so many US collectors, regardless of the fine print - see above ...)

I guess that at least there were (maybe still are) some musicians who were/are just too much "out of it" to be reasonable drivers at all. Not necessarily because of drugs or other substances/liquids but because they were/are so much immersed in their "art" or "creative" or whatever thing removed from mundane everday life that they would have been fairly unable to function well in normal duties and tasks of everyday life - such as driving, in fact.

I wonder how there can be ANY doubt about Dragon being "legit". Dragon has been around for 30+ years and has set standards in reissues of Scandinavian jazz. Any Japanese label with the mark "Not for sale outside of Japan" AND YET sold outside Japan is iffier than Dragon.

There were many more. Without even thinking hard, these come to mind: Chu Berry Stan Hasselgard Scott La Faro. But I doubt this is what this topic is supposed to be all about. BTW, do motorcyclists count? There is a great story about bass saxophonist Joe Rushton in Eddie Condon's We Called It Music - retold through BIll Crow's Anecdotes: Riding your bike from Chicago to N.Y: and back again on the spur of a moment - that sounds like it took some real stamina, even in those pre-55 mph pottering-along rule days with far less traffic but with the road network likely being far from what it is today.

Yes, it was his wife. Severely nearsighted, as the story goes. That accident was what first came to my mind when the topic came up, but since accidents and deaths at the steering wheel were not what the thrad starter wanted ...

Regardless of the driving record and primitive behavior (and over-the-top aggressiveness in this case) of this Smith, would you care to explain how he - Smith - in THIS case has violated anybody's (particularly any cyclist's) safety distance with his car parked at the curb? And no, you don't smash other people's car windows (or any of their other belongings) on a whim, as this cyclist appears to have done. And no doubt you know what the likelihood of catching a cyclist in the act is in such cases and what the outcome in other "ways" would be afterwards, particularly in today's (European) societal climate where cyclists in traffic often appear to be given a free pass in every direction. (I am all for protecting cyclists from ruthless car drivers through appropriate traffic laws, but OTOH pedestrians, for one, need to be protected from ruthless cyclists. But are they? Or isn't it rather so that all too often cyclists will be cut any slack because they "need to be able to get ahead" in the interest of "green" mobility? Look around what the general stance is in this respect in many areas in Europe and you will realize that your argument is a fairly lame one.)

That brings to mind another jazzman of the same breed: Johnny Claes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Claes And he can be heard here, for example (and on a reissue of this and more on CS Records C5-544): https://www.discogs.com/Johnny-Claes-And-His-Clae-Pigeons-Nat-Gonella-His-New-Georgians-The-Swinging-40s/release/9914297

Ha, the legendary Odeon Swing Music Series! (Heard here on the 70s reissue LP from that series celebrating the original pressings issued in Germany) Originally pressed and released in Germany on Odeon A189279.

Nominal leader because it was on her/Lionel's own Hamp-Tone record label. A bit like (though with less merits than, probably) Timme Rosenkrantz & His Barrelhouse Barons or Rudy Blesh's All Stars. But thats a far cry from Jackie Gleason. Style-wise and OTOH because Gleason can be credited with putting a bit of his arrangements' touch in those "Jacke Gleason Presents" LPs.

What makes you think so? Just spun the 78: Four Squares Only is a feature for Herbie Fields - a sort of slightly modernized Benny Goodman combo soud Star Time is a somewhat boogieish feature for Dodo Marmarosa Dieter Salemann says in his "Flight of the Vout Bug" book that there is no guitar (Billy Mackel according to the label) audible on the recording, and that the drummer is possibly George Jenkins who at that time was with Lionel Hampton. FYI: http://www.heypally78rpms.com/2013/02/gladys-hamptons-quartet-hamp-tone-105.html

If Sunny Murray is included, then include Sunny Clapp (also refered to as Sonny here and there) too And then, moving into other periods of jazz that otherwise tend to get overlooked: Sonny Burke Sonny Dunham - and Sonny Boy WILLIAMS too! And not to forget Sonny Thompson

JSngry linked to the "Stardust" set earlier in this thread.

They ARE on there, though more in a supporting role. I just spun it, and the record is "interesting" (the unison parts between the harmonica and the horns are rather surreal). Thompson hangs in bravely to keep up with the horns on the fast "Take The A Train" but the limits in playing the mouth harp really fast become evident - it turns into more of a case of virtuosity than outright swing.

The UK release on HMV looked like this: A good moment to spin it again now. But admittedly the US RCA release has a nicer cover- with the quadruple Thompson looking like the Harmonicats and the Trio Raisner all rolled into one. And yes - you are right about the Bop! 78s. My oversight. I totally forgot to compare with the BOPland box.

I picked up the above one dirt cheap (just could not let it go to waste ) 2-3 years ago at a record clearout sale but I've had the same material for a VERY long time on UK Vogue (VJT3003). These sets are not exact duplicates of the contents of the Japanese set above - BeBop is not there, and neither are the Jimmy Witherspoon tracks (but they are around elsewhere, and FWIW, according to the Leadbitter/Slaven discography the recording dates for the Jimmy Witherspoon tracks given on the set are wrong as they are from 2 different concerts - two tracks are from 1949 and the others from 1950). The lineup for the Jimmy Witherspoon set is an odd one - Don Hill and Gene Gilbeaux were regulars of the backing band of The Treniers. (Were they on the bill too? Where are their recordings??? ) Like it's been mentioned above, Modern and Crown issued/reissued these in various combinations back then. And then there were things like this single item which found its way into my 78 corner many years ago (kind of hard listeningn to lengthy tracks piecemeal on 78s like this ...)

Looks like sombody out there is afraid of alienating people from Corona, CA, or drinkers of a beer brand of the same name. As if the virus went away if it was linguistically associated (by inference) with a foreign place (through such an artificially constructed "name") and not with a place that MIGHT (mistakenly) be understood to be "'murrican". Ho hum ... In common lingo it's and remains the Coronavirus (or Corona virus, if you prefer). Covid-19 or whatever is the technical/medical term. That's all.

I've been thinking about this too. There aren't many record shops I'd REALLY want to go to but I'd like to so I'll see and find out how they handle things. Wearing a face mask is no problem, but I wouldn't want to be rushed because- say, only 3 or 4 are allowed to enter at one time and there are more waiting. (Normally this is no big deal because apart from special action days you always have plenty of room between customers and no risk at rubbing elbows with the nearest peruser. But do we know in the current situation?) But it IS a shop where you have to take your time to make the rounds. So if they want to rush me they can keep their records for the time being. I have a slightly uneasy feeling about browsing through the records that obviously are touched by everyone but either you do it all the way or you don't do it at all. With THIS kind of goods there are are no in-betweens. Besides, when you shop for your groceries (and no, I don't wear gloves there and nobody else does either around here), even if you really try to avoid picking items and then placing them back, it DOES happen. and with others too. And there NEVER is ANYBODY to guarantee you that the one who just browsed the same rack 2 minutes before and had second thoughts and put back the pack you now are taking is NOT loaded to the hilt with little Covids. So there you are ... But hand sanitizers and gloves? Come on ...!!! How often would you want to sanitize your hands? Every 10 LPs handled? As for gloves, I hope anyone all out to wear these when goign to any kind of shop or public area where surfaces have to be touched realizes that beyond any "feelgood" effect he just postpones the problem of potential virus contact - or else he'd have to change them (in such a manner that no bare fingertips get into contact with any glove surface) every couple of minutes all day long.

Exactly. What i wrote in another Corona virus topic last week still holds: "Yes the Bundesliga is supposed to start up again but this is not the best role model or signal to everyone else out there. Apart from the fact that it is a very slippery slope (one 2nd league team will be out already for the next 2 matches because the entire team and staff have just been quarantined again for 14 days after 3 positive cases detected) it will make others in the entertainment field wonder "why them, why not us?" Let's face it, their monetary clout with the "deciders" was decisive in enabling them to get back (even if playing to crowds of zero). Ill feelings are bound to come up even inside the sport: On Saturday I caught a lengthy discussion on French radio where a soccer representative complained bitterly about why they had to shut down (as one of only 5 countries in Europe) whereas others such as Germany etc. were able to start up again, leaving French clubs in a weakened position etc. etc. This does NOT bode well overall. "

Compared to other restrictions it's no actual hardship of course but those working there and those visiting the place are wondering what good this is supposed to be really doing. Now how long IS this virus clinging to non-animate surfaces after all? Considering that we're not at Day 1 of the epidemia, one should think that this should have been tested and analyzed throroughly by now. After all it is an important aspect of how to manage everyday interactions everywhere. The problem is that all by itself details like this do not mean much and are a nuisance at worst but in the overall picture they add up to those who set the rules and restrictions just scrambling around in rather a headless way. This does not really increase the feeling of security among the citizens and will make it even harder ensuring compliance with the rules and restrictions that REALLY are necessary. My better half works in the health profession (dentist's assistant) and the way the professional federation has been issuing do's and dont's and caveats on how to run the job at a rate of about three times per day that went one way, then the other, then contradicted each other and explicitly revoked what had been said the day before and above all were wildly impossible to implement when catering to the patients at all (e.g. can YOU imagine a dentist keeping a mandatory 1.5-meter distance from his/her patient during the treatment?) then this does leave you with a not so favorable impression of how these things are being handled. And according to what she hears from doctors and their employees in other medical fields the story isn't much different there. Now this spills over to other areas of everyday life now that they are trying to reopen everywhere. Remember the list given by another forumist above about businesses that can operate curbside retail? Often you have a conflict of targets that is getting more and more acute there. Example: Clothing shops allowed to open again here have been heard to forbid the customers to try on their garb (strangely enough, not every shop - don't ask me why)! O.K., I perfectly get the reason behind this but can you imagine our better halves falling for that? I guess mine wasn't the only one to say "What's the point, then? If it's so I can order online anyway and won't have to go through the face mask hassle." This does hurt the business of the shops, of course, and opening up under these circumstances will not enable them to get back to normal for a long time to come. As for the masks, remember I mentioned my wife works in a medical profession, i.e. she has been wearing those masks in her daily job for years and therefore knows what these masks do but above all don't. (BTW, she and her boss - the doctor - do find the FFP3 ones do choke them, so no way of wearing them for longer periods at a time) In her view what they are supposed to accomplish currently by everyone wearing them (including all those home-made ones) is getting treacherously close to what you call a "placebo". We do wear them anyhow in all those places where they are mandatory (shops, public transport) but it would be nice if what the public is being told to do would make sense even to those with insider's experience (such as those working in the medical field). @Brad: Yes the Bundesliga is supposed to start up again but this is not the best role model or signal to everyone else out there. Apart from the fact that it is a very slippery slope (one 2nd league team will be out already for the next 2 matches because the entire team and staff have just been quarantined again for 14 days after 3 positive cases detected) it will make others in the entertainment field wonder "why them, why not us?" Let's face it, their monetary clout with the "deciders" was decisive in enabling them to get back (even if playing to crowds of zero). Ill feelings are bound to come up even inside the sport: On Saturday I caught a lengthy discussion on French radio where a soccer representative complained bitterly about why they had to shut down (as one of only 5 countries in Europe) whereas others such as Germany etc. were able to start up again, leaving French clubs in a weakened position etc. etc. This does NOT bode well overall.