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Talk of Lacy has me digging out what few titles I have on LP High, low and Order------(Claxon) duo from 1978 with Maarten Altena

Trio 3 + Jason Moran - Refraction, Breaking Glass (Intakt) Picked this one up and I'm very impressed . Always liked Oliver Lake but he sounds wonderful here. I might try out other Trio 3 releases as funds permit. Likewise the Intakt label of which I've only a handful of releases.

I was considering this but nearly £30 direct from Rune seemed more than I cared to spend. Do you have a better source ?

Very good record along with "Application Interaction and..."

None of my Gearbox LPs are like that. I've about 10 releases. All very good to excellent .

Anyone care recommend anything by either Conrad Bauer or Steve Swell the latter is a total unknown to me.? Thanks

Grant Green-------Am I blue-------( BN Toshiba) Sleepy session for a slow start to the weekend. It's not bad but it's a bit on the dull side. Surprising that Lion released it.

Bobby Troup ---------The Songs of Bobby Troup---------( London ) 10 inch UK Cool vocal stylings, I'm still not convinced that Troup is always in tune but it works well enough.

Elizabeth Johnson-----------Empty bed blues Part 1 & 2------------(Okeh) Fine blues indeed with King Oliver. Lovely even if my copy is only in V condition.

Same is true of my BN Works TOCJ, never noticed any distortion

Must have missed this.

Sawano's needle drops ? I've only two Sawano's but find that hard to believe given the outstanding sound. I have no Tempo originals other than a 45 rpm Victor Feldman and a couple of 78s

Date: February 24, 1949 Location: New York City Label: Columbia Chubby Jackson Orchestra Chubby Jackson (ldr), Norman Faye, Al Porcino, Charlie Walp (t), Mario Daone, Rob Swope (tb), Frankie Socolow (as), Ray Turner, Al Young [Epstein] (ts), Marty Flax [Flachsenhaar] (bar), Teddy Charles (vib), Gene DiNovi (p), Curly Russell (b), Tiny Kahn (d, v), Joe Harris (cng), Paula Castle (v) Tiny's Blues (Gabardine and Serge) - 3:00 (Tiny Kahn) / arr: Al Cohn, Tiny Kahn Father Knickerbopper - 3:02 (Tiny Kahn) / arr: Tiny Kahn All Wrong - 3:10 (Chubby Jackson) / arr: Gene DiNovi Godchild - 3:05 (George Wallington) / arr: Tiny Kahn Date: February 1949 Location: Mutual Radio, New York City Label: [private recording] Chubby Jackson Band: Bands For Bonds Chubby Jackson (ldr), Norman Faye, Al Porcino, Charlie Walp (t), Mario Daone, Rob Swope (tb), Frankie Socolow (as), Ray Turner, Al Young [Epstein] (ts), Marty Flax [Flachsenhaar] (bar), Teddy Charles (vib), Gene DiNovi (p), Red Kelly (b), Tiny Kahn (d), Joe Harris (cng), Chubby Jackson (con, v), Paula Castle, unknown (v) a. Lemon Drop - 1:49 (George Wallington) / arr: Tiny Kahn b. Father Knickerbopper - 3:10 (Tiny Kahn) / arr: Tiny Kahn c. All Wrong - 3:14 (Chubby Jackson) / arr: Gene DiNovi d. Belvedere Bop (Hot Dog) - 2:42 (Tiny Kahn) / arr: Tiny Kahn All titles on: Uptown CD: UPCD 27.75/27.76 — Chubby Jackson Big Band: Ooh, What An Outfit! New York City 1949 (2014) Date: March 5, 1949 Location: Royal Roost, New York City Label: [private recording] Chubby Jackson Big Band Live (WMCA Radio Broadcast) Chubby Jackson (ldr), Norman Faye, Al Porcino, Charlie Walp (t), Mario Daone, Rob Swope (tb), Frankie Socolow (as), Ray Turner, Al Young [Epstein] (ts), Marty Flax [Flachsenhaar] (bar), Teddy Charles (vib), Gene DiNovi (p), Red Kelly (b), Tiny Kahn (d), Joe Harris (bo, cng), Chubby Jackson (con, v), Paula Castle, unknown (v) a. Jumpin' With Symphony Sid - 0:48 (Lester Young) / arr: Tiny Kahn b. Tiny's Blues (Gabardine and Serge) - 5:57 (Tiny Kahn) / arr: Al Cohn, Tiny Kahn c. Father Knickerbopper - 3:33 (Tiny Kahn) / arr: Tiny Kahn d. Tenderly - 3:35 (Walter Gross, Jack Lawrence) / arr: Tiny Kahn e. Lemon Drop - 4:05 (George Wallington) / arr: Tiny Kahn f. Boomsie - 7:46 (Conte Candoli, Frank Socolow, Chubby Jackson) / arr: Tiny Kahn Date: March 12, 1949 Location: Royal Roost, New York City Label: [private recording] Chubby Jackson Big Band Live (WMCA Radio Braodcast) Chubby Jackson (ldr), Norman Faye, Al Porcino, Charlie Walp (t), Mario Daone, Rob Swope (tb), Frankie Socolow (as), Ray Turner, Al Young [Epstein] (ts), Marty Flax [Flachsenhaar] (bar), Teddy Charles (vib), Gene DiNovi (p), Red Kelly (b), Tiny Kahn (d, v), Joe Harris (bo, cng), Chubby Jackson (con, v), Paula Castle (v) a. inc Bop Slappy - 0:27 (Tiny Kahn) / arr: Tiny Kahn b. Tiny's Blues (Gabardine and Serge) - 7:00 (Tiny Kahn) / arr: Al Cohn, Tiny Kahn Mopaque LP 12": CJR 300 — Chubby Jackson Big Band Live March, 1949 c. Father Knickerbopper - 3:26 (Tiny Kahn) / arr: Tiny Kahn Mopaque LP 12": CJR 300 — Chubby Jackson Big Band Live March, 1949 d. Belvedere Bop (Hot Dog) - 6:19 (Tiny Kahn) / arr: Tiny Kahn Mopaque LP 12": CJR 300 — Chubby Jackson Big Band Live March, 1949 e. You Wear Love So Well - 3:33 (George Handy, Jack Segal) / arr: Gene DiNovi Mopaque LP 12": CJR 300 — Chubby Jackson Big Band Live March, 1949 f. Godchild - 5:16 (George Wallington) / arr: Tiny Kahn Mopaque LP 12": CJR 300 — Chubby Jackson Big Band Live March, 1949 g. Boomsie - 4:14 (Conte Candoli, Frank Socolow, Chubby Jackson) / arr: Tiny Kahn Mopaque LP 12": CJR 300 — Chubby Jackson Big Band Live March, 1949 Date: Probably May 1949 Location: Probably Mineola High School, Mineola, Long Island, NY Label: [private recording] Chubby Jackson Band: Bop Goes To School Chubby Jackson (ldr), Norman Faye, Dale Pierce, Red Rodney (t), Mario Daone, Rob Swope (tb), Frankie Socolow (as), Ray Turner, Al Young [Epstein] (ts), Marty Flax [Flachsenhaar] (bar), Teddy Charles (vib), Red Mitchell (p, b), Chubby Jackson (b, con), Red Kelly (b), Tiny Kahn (d), Joe Harris (cng) a. Three Men On a Bass - 2:56 (Tiny Kahn) / arr: Tiny Kahn Date: May 17, 1949 Location: Nola Recording Studios, New York City Label: [private recording] Gene Roland's Boppers Gene Roland (ldr), Dan Baxter, Dan Blue, Jerry Lloyd, Dale Pierce (t), Gene Roland (t, vtb), Al Cohn, Stan Getz, Zoot Sims (ts), Gerry Mulligan (bar), Gene DiNovi (p), Red Kelly (b), Tiny Kahn (d) a. Sid's Swing Symphony (Ontet, Symphony Sid's Symphonette) - 3:31 (Gerry Mulligan) / arr: Gerry Mulligan b. Oh! Them Saxophones - 3:05 (Gene Roland) / arr: Gene Roland c. Blues (Blues In Our Times) - 2:51 (Gene Roland) / arr: Gene Roland d. Sid's Swing Symphony (Ontet, Symphony Sid's Symphonette) - 1:43 (Gerry Mulligan) / arr: Gerry Mulligan All titles on: Uptown CD: UPCD 27.75/27.76 — Chubby Jackson Big Band: Ooh, What An Outfit! New York City 1949 (2014) regarding the upcoming Chubby Jackson 2CD on Uptown from the Tiny Kahn discography, http://www.attictoys.com/TinyKahn/Tiny_Kahn_discography.php edited for dreadful formatting!!!

Great session and nice find.

Hardware was good but not of the highest level. Integrated Moon amp with built in DAC, MiND digital renderer and iirc Totem speakers (£1K+). I'd guess equipment costs of around £5K. So yes, good hardware but the Ella & Louis FLAC 24/192 sounded really incredible and miles ahead of anything else I sampled. It wasn't an extensive listening session but it certainly pointed out to me that digital can sound really good but you have to start with a good recording of great music. do you know what the file type was.....? FLAC 24/192, that's all I recall. HD tracks offers 24/96 for this title. I wonder who offers 24/192? http://www.hdtracks.com/ella-and-louis Perhaps I wrongly stated it as 24/192

do you know what the file type was.....? FLAC 24/192, that's all I recall. ....and it rivaled a good shm pressing? No , it' was just the most immediate and realistic recording I've ever heard ,regardless of format.

In the past I've wondered how many posters contribute and what's the average donation. Helpful to know or counter- productive ?

do you know what the file type was.....? FLAC 24/192, that's all I recall.

I'd say no. I bought the 7cd Herman Columbia for around £20 some years ago but in reality the 2CD set I already had was really more than adequate.

At a local,audio dealer I listened to high res. 24/192 file of an Ella & Louis track. The sound was staggeringly vivid. There's gold in them there master tapes.

erwbol - very interesting. is this observation through speakers or headphones? which make/model? I have a Marantz CD6003. link I use Sennheiser HD650 headphones and an old NAD 312 amp. Van Den Hul cables. Nothing high end or fancy. I currently listen to headphones only out of necessity. My old apartment was not well isolated for sound. Last year I moved and in the future I will buy speakers again and upgrade my amp, probably to a Marantz. I currently do not have the means to make the most of those HD Tracks Flac files. I sometimes listen to them by connecting my Sennheisers to my iMac, so it was just a simple observation about the Shorter FLACs being more dynamic than these two SHMs. Very interesting how different systems can render the sound. I found the SHM of Speak No Evil to run a very close second to Music Matters 45rpm 2LP set ( I only bought the SHM for the alternates , which really aren't worth it I now realise). Both the SHM and MM45rpm easily better my McMaster of SNE. Smoother sounding and more dynamic. Regarding JuJu the McMaster edition sounds as if the cymbals gave been turned up very significantly in the mix giving a rasping quality to the sound. The SHM sounds again calmer and modestly better soundstage. As indicated above I have had very few complaints regarding poor sounding BN CDs as the vast majority have sounded just fine. My Living Voice speakers and Sugden class A amp are pretty revealing , just occasionally a bit too forward sounding which of course would make a bright mastering sound brighter still possibly pushing it ' over the edge' in terms of acceptability. OBX speakers by any chance? I loved the sound of those speakers when I heard them at a dealer. Very attractive as well. No IBX, sounded good enough without the crossover boxes, which I really didn't wish to accommodate

erwbol - very interesting. is this observation through speakers or headphones? which make/model? I have a Marantz CD6003. link I use Sennheiser HD650 headphones and an old NAD 312 amp. Van Den Hul cables. Nothing high end or fancy. I currently listen to headphones only out of necessity. My old apartment was not well isolated for sound. Last year I moved and in the future I will buy speakers again and upgrade my amp, probably to a Marantz. I currently do not have the means to make the most of those HD Tracks Flac files. I sometimes listen to them by connecting my Sennheisers to my iMac, so it was just a simple observation about the Shorter FLACs being more dynamic than these two SHMs. Very interesting how different systems can render the sound. I found the SHM of Speak No Evil to run a very close second to Music Matters 45rpm 2LP set ( I only bought the SHM for the alternates , which really aren't worth it I now realise). Both the SHM and MM45rpm easily better my McMaster of SNE. Smoother sounding and more dynamic. Regarding JuJu the McMaster edition sounds as if the cymbals gave been turned up very significantly in the mix giving a rasping quality to the sound. The SHM sounds again calmer and modestly better soundstage. As indicated above I have had very few complaints regarding poor sounding BN CDs as the vast majority have sounded just fine. My Living Voice speakers and Sugden class A amp are pretty revealing , just occasionally a bit too forward sounding which of course would make a bright mastering sound brighter still possibly pushing it ' over the edge' in terms of acceptability.

PERSONNEL, LOCATION & DATES: - HOWARD McGHEE / 1945 RADIO BROADCAST 01. Intro / Night Mist (Theme) 02. A Night in Tunisia 03. Rockin' Chair HOWARD McGHEE, trumpet TEDDY EDWARDS, tenor sax J.D. KING, tenor sax VERNON BIDDLE,piano BOB KESTERSON,bass ROY POTTER, drums MONETTE MOORE, vocals on track 3 Streets of Paris, Hollywood, December 21, 1945. - HOLLYWOOD FOUR BLAZES 7 1945 RADIO BROADCAST 04. Dark Eyes 05. Don't Blame Me ULYSSES LIVINGSTON, guitar GEORGE CRAWFORD, piano LAGRAND MASON, bass DAN GRISSON, drums, vocal on track 5 Streets of Paris, Hollywood, December 21, 1945. - HOWARD McGHEE / 1945 RADIO BROADCAST 06. Howard's Blues 07. Killin' Jive 08. The Man I Love HOWARD McGHEE, trumpet TEDDY EDWARDS, tenor sax J.D. KING, tenor sax VERNON BIDDLE,piano BOB KESTERSON,bass ROY POTTER, drums MONETTE MOORE, vocals on track 7 - HOWARD McGHEE / 1945 PHILO RECORDINGS SESSION 09. Mop Mop 10. Intersection (a.k.a. Innersection) 11. Stardust 12. Lifestream HOWARD McGHEE, trumpet TEDDY EDWARDS, tenor sax J.D. KING, tenor sax VERNON BIDDLE,piano BOB KESTERSON,bass ROY POTTER, drums Philo Records, Hollywood, September 4, 1945 - HOWARD McGHEE / 1946 Melodisc Recordings Session 13. Night Mist 14. Hoggin' 15. Sweet Potato 16. Blues A La King HOWARD McGHEE, trumpet TEDDY EDWARDS, tenor sax J.D. KING, tenor sax VERNON BIDDLE,piano BOB KESTERSON,bass ROY POTTER, drums Melodisc Records, Hollywood, spring 1945 HOWARD McGHEE / 1947 AFRS Jubilee Transcriptions NOS, 238 & 239 17. Ornithology 18. Body and Soul 19. The Man I love HOWARD McGHEE, trumpet TEDDY EDWARDS, tenor sax SONNY CRISS, alto sax HAMPTON HAWES,piano ADDISON FARNER,bass ROY POTTER, drums McCormick General Hospital, Pasadena CA, June 1947 From the jazzmesengers website. Tracks 9-12 on "The Complete Howard McGhee sessions on Dial" Spotlite CD

On the face of it, alternates of these performances wouldn't make my pulse beat faster, unless I were obsessive about Budd Johnson or Herb Geller. The charts are the charts, and the solos would be in similar grooves to those on the issued takes. As for the price, I bought my copy of the Fresh Sound used but clean for about $14. my interest has been piqued. I've ordered a cheap 2LP edition on French RCA Jazzline which should suffice and will in a stroke double my MF recordings.