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So, those who have heard it, what might be the problem with Roger's drumming?

I have the FOUR (the fourth has been out for some time, fifth is apparently due soon) Devil's Music (Baldwin Productions) cds and they are CLEARLY the best way to go if you LOVE Lee. (I do!) Total attention to completeness, pitch, sound, they're awesome discs! I have the Definitives as well and they are not from source material and it shows. But no contest, the Devil's Music series will be as claimed the ultimate collectors' Lee Wiley series. I hope and pray it continues. The Audiophile cds are very good too; if I were to only have two Wiley discs on my desert island they would be good choices, sound is very good, great notes and photos, etc. But the Devil's Music version tops them. I have two RCA lps on Japanese cds that were my introduction to Wiley by herself (thanks are due to Dr. J to making me check her out; I'd only known her from Condon groups before that). They are fine releases. I also have the Uptown, the Carnegie Hall, the Back Home in Indiana, a Black Lion (there is some overlap with the Black Lion and another), I think that may be it. . . Oh yeah, I have her Columbia work in the Condon Mob Mosaic and she appears in the Commodore Mosaics too if I'm not mistaken. I'm a fanatic. If you want to be a diligent collector Flurin then I recommend the Devil's Music route. .. .This series is a real labor of love, anal retentive love at that!

Copy control? They couldn't even keep their "work product" in house!

Yup. One title. . . I think it has also appeared under another.

More info from http://www.plosin.com/milesAhead/Sessions.aspx?s=701219 December 19, 1970 (10 items; TT = 110:46) Cellar Door Club, Washington DC Commercial for Columbia Miles Davis Septet Miles Davis (tpt); Gary Bartz (ss, as); Keith Jarrett (el-p, org); John McLaughlin (g); Michael Henderson (el-b); Jack DeJohnette (d); Airto Moreira (perc, voc); Conrad Roberts (narr) Second set Directions (J. Zawinul) 14:44 Theme stated at 2:59. Two fragments (0:01 + 3:14) on G 30954 and equivalents. Honky Tonk (M. Davis) 21:14 Three fragments (0:08 + 4:56 + 6:00) on G 30954 and equivalents. What I Say (M. Davis) 20:50 Sanctuary (W. Shorter-M. Davis) (closing theme, applause) 0:39 Incomplete (0:18) on G 30954 and equivalents. Third set Directions (J. Zawinul) 18:40 Theme stated at 3:40, 5:56, 17:39. Four fragments (2:54 + 1:58 + 11:20 + 0:35) on G 30954 and equivalents. Funky Tonk (M. Davis) 23:56 Four fragments (3:22 + 0:05 + 2:04 + 16:34) on G 30954 and equivalents. Sanctuary (W. Shorter-M. Davis) 2:02 Fragment (0:12) on G 30954 and equivalents. It's About That Time (M. Davis) 6:41 Incomplete (6:21) on G 30954 and equivalents. Sanctuary (W. Shorter-M. Davis) (closing theme, applause) 1:17 Overdub Narration by Conrad Roberts (C. Roberts) 0:43 "Inamorata, mission: music, masculinity, master of the art... music. Who is this music that which description may never justify? Can the ocean be described? Fathomless music, body of all that is, live everlastingly... Man initiate inamorata, your music are tomorrow's unknown known life. I love tomorrow..." Directions 12" LP: Columbia G 30954, Columbia C5K 45000, CBS/Sony SONP 50452/3 (= 36AP 1773/4) CD: Columbia C4K 45000 (= C4K 86569), Columbia C2K 65135, Columbia C2S 65135, Columbia C6K 93614, CBS/Sony 50DP 707/8 (= Sony SRCS 5715/6), CBS/Sony 80DP 5430/3 (= Sony SICP 5037/40), Sony Mastersound SRCS 9123/4, Sony Mastersound SRCS 9739/40, Sony SIGP 24/5, Sony SICP 839, Sony SICP 910, Sellar Productions Sell 1/2 Honky Tonk 12" LP: Columbia G 30954, CBS/Sony SONP 50452/3 (= 36AP 1773/4) CD: Columbia C2K 65135, Columbia C2S 65135, Columbia C6K 93614, CBS/Sony 50DP 707/8 (= Sony SRCS 5715/6), Sony Mastersound SRCS 9123/4, Sony Mastersound SRCS 9739/40, Sony SIGP 24/5, Sony SICP 839, Sony SICP 910, Sellar Productions Sell 1/2 What I Say 12" LP: Columbia G 30954, CBS/Sony SONP 50452/3 (= 36AP 1773/4) CD: Columbia C2K 65135, Columbia C2S 65135, Columbia C6K 93614, CBS/Sony 50DP 707/8 (= Sony SRCS 5715/6), Sony Mastersound SRCS 9123/4, Sony Mastersound SRCS 9739/40, Sony SIGP 24/5, Sony SICP 839, Sony SICP 910, Sellar Productions Sell 1/2 Sanctuary (closing theme, applause) 12" LP: Columbia G 30954, CBS/Sony SONP 50452/3 (= 36AP 1773/4) CD: Columbia C2K 65135, Columbia C2S 65135, Columbia C6K 93614, CBS/Sony 50DP 707/8 (= Sony SRCS 5715/6), Sony Mastersound SRCS 9123/4, Sony Mastersound SRCS 9739/40, Sony SIGP 24/5, Sony SICP 839, Sony SICP 910, Sellar Productions Sell 1/2 Directions 12" LP: Columbia G 30954, CBS/Sony SONP 50452/3 (= 36AP 1773/4) CD: Columbia C2K 65135, Columbia C2S 65135, Columbia C6K 93614, CBS/Sony 50DP 707/8 (= Sony SRCS 5715/6), Sony Mastersound SRCS 9123/4, Sony Mastersound SRCS 9739/40, Sony SIGP 24/5, Sony SICP 839, Sony SICP 910, Sellar Productions Sell 1/2 Funky Tonk 12" LP: Columbia G 30954, CBS/Sony SONP 50452/3 (= 36AP 1773/4) CD: Columbia C2K 65135, Columbia C2S 65135, Columbia C6K 93614, CBS/Sony 50DP 707/8 (= Sony SRCS 5715/6), Sony Mastersound SRCS 9123/4, Sony Mastersound SRCS 9739/40, Sony SIGP 24/5, Sony SICP 839, Sony SICP 910, Sellar Productions Sell 1/2 Sanctuary 12" LP: Columbia G 30954, CBS/Sony SONP 50452/3 (= 36AP 1773/4) CD: Columbia C2K 65135, Columbia C2S 65135, Columbia C6K 93614, CBS/Sony 50DP 707/8 (= Sony SRCS 5715/6), Sony Mastersound SRCS 9123/4, Sony Mastersound SRCS 9739/40, Sony SIGP 24/5, Sony SICP 839, Sony SICP 910, Sellar Productions Sell 1/2 It's About That Time 12" LP: Columbia G 30954, CBS/Sony SONP 50452/3 (= 36AP 1773/4) CD: Columbia C2K 65135, Columbia C2S 65135, Columbia C6K 93614, CBS/Sony 50DP 707/8 (= Sony SRCS 5715/6), Sony Mastersound SRCS 9123/4, Sony Mastersound SRCS 9739/40, Sony SIGP 24/5, Sony SICP 839, Sony SICP 910, Sellar Productions Sell 1/2 Sanctuary (closing theme, applause) CD: Columbia C6K 93614, Sony SICP 910, Sellar Productions Sell 1/2 Narration by Conrad Roberts 12" LP: Columbia G 30954, CBS/Sony SONP 50452/3 (= 36AP 1773/4) CD: Columbia C2K 65135, Columbia C2S 65135, Columbia C6K 93614, CBS/Sony 50DP 707/8 (= Sony SRCS 5715/6), Sony Mastersound SRCS 9123/4, Sony Mastersound SRCS 9739/40, Sony SIGP 24/5, Sony SICP 839, Sony SICP 910 The Sextet seems to have performed three sets per night during this engagement, so there may be a recording of the first set. These two sets, however, seem to be complete.

Bertrand, I've never taken the time to totally work out the provenance of all the tracks on Live/Evil (but look below for analysis) . . . MOST if not all of them come from THIS night: Directions (J. Zawinul) 14:44 Honky Tonk (M. Davis) 21:12 What I Say (M. Davis) 20:53 Sanctuary (W. Shorter-M. Davis) 0:40 Directions (J. Zawinul) 18:39 Funky Tonk (M. Davis) 23:56 Sanctuary (W. Shorter-M. Davis) 2:02 It's About That Time (M. Davis) 6:42 Sanctuary (W. Shorter-M. Davis) 1:18 (two sets recorded of three that night) Miles Davis (tpt); Gary Bartz (ss, as); Keith Jarrett (el-p, org); John McLaughlin (g); Michael Henderson (el-b); Jack DeJohnette (d); Airto Moreira (perc, voc); Conrad Roberts (narr) Here is the information on Live/Evil track breakdowns on Pete Losin's "Miles Ahead" website: In an interview with Teo Macero, Chris Albertson describes the 87 minutes of live material on Live-Evil as a "distillation" of "ten to fifteen" reels of tape recorded during the group's performances at the Cellar Door ("The Unmasking of Miles Davis," Saturday Review, November 27, 1971, p. 87.). Here's a rough comparison of the issued material with the unedited masters: "Sivad" (15:12) Master 0:00-0:01 (drum roll) Directions (2nd set) 0:00-0:01 0:02-3:24 Directions (2nd set) 11:30-14:44 + Honky Tonk 0:00-0:08 3:25-4:14 Honky Tonk (studio, 5/19/70) 4:15-9:11 Honky Tonk (2nd set) 5:23-10:20 9:12-15:12 Honky Tonk (2nd set) 15:13-21:14 "What I Say" (21:09) Master 0:00-20:50 What I Say (2nd set) 0:00-20:50 20:51-21:09 Sanctuary (2nd set) 0:00-0:18 "Funky Tonk" (23:23) Master 0:00-2:54 Directions (3rd set) 0:47-3:41 (theme excised) 2:55-4:53 Directions (3rd set) 3:54-5:51 (theme excised) 4:54-16:14 Directions (3rd set) 6:20-17:39 (theme excised) 16:15-16:50 Directions (3rd set) 18:03-18:39 16:51-20:12 Funky Tonk (3rd set) 0:00-3:21 20:13-20:18 Funky Tonk (3rd set) 3:59-4:04 21:19-23:23 Funky Tonk (3rd set) 4:15-6:20 "Inamorata" (26:28) Master 0:00-16:34 Funky Tonk (3rd set) 7:21-23:55 16:35-16:47 Sanctuary (3rd set) 1:50-2:02 16:47-23:08 It's About That Time (3rd set) 0:00-6:21 23:09-26:08 It's About That Time 0:00-2:59 [see note] Narration by Conrad Roberts first 0:43 26:08-26:28 Sanctuary 0:00-0:20 [see note] Note: these items not from Cellar Door

Cranking them out, just like they did at Hitsville USA! Thanks for the info!

Wow, it showed to be in stock when I posted! Weird! Fast work on someone's part maybe!

Well, it's not over til it's over, but I hope the release date holds true this time. Been a long time since this!

Breakdown by disc: Disc/Side 1 1. Directions 2. Yesternow 3. What I Say 4. Improvisation #1 5. Inamorata Disc/Side 2 1. What I Say 2. Honky Tonk 3. It's About That Time 4. Improvisation #2 5. Inamorata 6. Sanctuary Disc/Side 3 1. Directions 2. Honky Tonk 3. What I Say Disc/Side 4 1. Directions 2. Honky Tonk 3. What I Say 4. Sanctuary 5. Improvisation #3 6. Inamorata Disc/Side 5 1. Directions 2. Honky Tonk 3. What I Say Disc/Side 6 1. Directions 2. Improvisation #4 3. Inamorata 4. Sanctuary 5. It's About That Time

The Connoisseur set might also include a few tracks from the Japanese cd "From Hackensack to Englewood Cliffs"?

www.dustygroove.com currently shows in stock an 8 dollar lp and a 23 dollar Japanese cd.

Definitely not! I do really like his remastering work of disc-recorded sessions and his own sessions; guess it's a matter of personal tastes. . . . I'd rather he than McMaster handle his sessions tapes. . . decidedly.

Listened to some Kirk from the complete box set last night, about two hours worth from four of the discs. I just keep realizing what an amazing artist he was! I shouldn't be surprised by now, but he keeps on surprising! Not an easy trick. . . .

Cellar Door Miles Davis was preordered this morning via cduniverse.com

Preordering now possible through cduniverse.com

I think the two Shearing MGM cds are available from the Verve Vault. . . .

Great music! I've had all the music here for a long time. If these were RVGs I'd grab them all. I'll get whatever comes out on yourmusic.com

On cduniverse, Retrievals show up under Challenge Records. . . They are the distributor if not the home label.

I agree with Chuck, from a marketing standpoint this is a natural. . . they might as well get on the RVG reissue wagon as Blue Note and Verve (and even the Monk Family) have used him . . . There must be some money in it for the labels. Concord might as well come out of the ropes with something new and proven. And I happen to be one of those who likes his remastering work a lot. . . . I'd be interested in hearing these. . . I'll probably get a few.

They share the Dial sides. . .but differ otherwise. I'd recommend the Chronogical Classics under Howard's name. Well, I was being serious in a way. . . I think the McGhee stuff is important enough to have it all and the Classics discs are great.

If one opens the first link that EKE posted for Challenge, the Retrieval appears. . . .

In both cases I think you have the case of an out of print Japanese single lp reissue, and an out of print American combination/compilation release. . . .

Phantom Navigator made it to cd in the US. I have it somewhere, can't bring myself to spin it. . . not a favorite.

That's what I thought! Thanks Chuck.