Miles Cellar Door Update

[JSngry]

Anyone here hear "Rebirth? "

Yep. It's very nice, imo. Not the same (or as earthsahking) as Miles's stuff, but definitely "related to" it.

Henderson, btw, had some success as a funk/disco/etc solo artist after he left Miles, The title cut of the Wide Receiver album to which the AAJ interview refers was an R&B hit. No crossover success, but a hit neverhteless.

IIRC, Henderson was part of the Norman Connoirs crew that had a run of popular R&B sets at the time under various guises. But I'm not 100% sure of that.

[JohnS]

UK date on this now February 20th!!!!

WTF????!!!!!

That's good, it's my birthday. But Amazon UK are still telling me mid-March

[Rosco]

IIRC, Henderson was part of the Norman Connoirs crew that had a run of popular R&B sets at the time under various guises. But I'm not 100% sure of that.

Yes, indeed. Henderson played bass for Connors and even sang lead vocal on Connors' 'You Are my Starship'

[ejp626]

I finally got my copy and am starting to listen to it. Maybe I should listen to disc 2 first, just in case there is a problem. Anyway, I read through the thread (not that carefully) and maybe I missed it, but my booklet does indeed have the sticker that "corrects" the credits for the compilation on p. 94. Am I the only one?What a frigging waste of time to hold up this set just so someone's ego gets stroked a bit more.

[jazzbo]

Mine has the sticker as well. . . . I think they "all" do.

[John Tapscott]

I checked both cduniverse.com and amazon.com hoping to listen to some samples. Nothing there. I know it's not the kind of set you can really "sample," but is there some site where I can hear a bit of this?

Thanks

[jlhoots]

I finally got my copy and am starting to listen to it. Maybe I should listen to disc 2 first, just in case there is a problem. Anyway, I read through the thread (not that carefully) and maybe I missed it, but my booklet does indeed have the sticker that "corrects" the credits for the compilation on p. 94. Am I the only one?What a frigging waste of time to hold up this set just so someone's ego gets stroked a bit more.

My disc 2 is O.K..

And yes the sticker is there on p.94.

[ejp626]

My disc 2 is ok as well. There is something unusual going on on track 4, but I decided it was percussion, maybe brush work.

[Aggie87]

...anyone want to volunteer to rip their sticker off to see what offensive language is underneath?

[skeith]

I like the set more than the Jack Johnson set. Gary Bartz, and really everyone else, is one fire throughout. It is the leanest electric Miles I have heard, and the closest he got to a funk/rock band. Jarrett is particularly magnificent as well. Definitely ALOT more blues in his playing than he usually has.

As much as I love the Jack Johnson set, I find it a bit hard to listen to for long period, unless you take out all the alternate takes. Its very easy to put on the Cellar Door for long periods.

I also heard it on public radio last night while driving home from a christmas party.

Interesting, as much as I like the Cellar Door box, I do not find it to be superior to the Jack Johnson box. These boxes are ripe for comparison, given similar instrumentation and personnel and even many of the same tunes, and as of now, I think certain versions of the same tune on the J Johnson box are actually superior to any version on the Cellar Door. Gary Bartz has never been for me the most compelling player.

Just my two cents, I may change my mind but that's what I think now.

[JSngry]

Jack Johnson vs Cellar Door is studio constructions (and all that implies) vs live sets (and all that implies). Apples & oranges, really, I think.

[jazzbo]

Yeah. . .apples and oranges. Though I prefer to bite into the Live/Evil apple a bit more than I do segments of the Jack Johnson orange myself.

Gary Bartz. .. well this is my favorite Bartz stuff, and I really do like him as a player.

[Rosco]

...anyone want to volunteer to rip their sticker off to see what offensive language is underneath?

Just noticed this on Paul Tingen's Miles Beyond site (http://www.miles-beyond.com/news.htm)-

Also received my promotional copy of the Cellar Door today, and the belowmentioned sticker can be found on page 94 of the booklet, where the word "produced" in the line "BOX SET PRODUCED BY ADAM HOLZMAN AND BOB BELDEN" has been replaced by "compiled."

Yeah... well worth a five month delay.

Edited January 14, 2006 by Rosco

[porcy62]

I bought it today. My copy has the corrected credit on the original page. Disc 2 is ok.

Ah, btw, music smokes!

[king ubu]

I've seen it in a store here yesterday, BUT still no trace of my Amazon France ordered set!?!

[Werf]

Pitchfork gives the set a 9.4.

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-revie...ions-1970.shtml

Edited January 18, 2006 by Werf

[BFrank]

Kevin Whitehead reviews the box on NPR's Fresh Air today.

[clifford_thornton]

Shit, Clem, I don't think I'm even that out-of-it!

Great set, mine sounds brilliant. I'm probably not as well-versed in electric Miles as some of you here, but from what I have and considering the Cellar Door in personal context, this piece is a real staggering set. Still worthwhile to have both the Live-Evil LPs and the box, which is what's nice about these Legacy bricks.

[king ubu]

*finally* got a shipping confirmation from French Amazon two or three days ago. I hope to get it before the weekend! I'm sure it sucks. So Miles went to Pangaea and stayed there? Quite a trip, I must say!

[danasgoodstuff]

Clem,

I thought FD was using "prog" as short for 'progressive', as in prog-rock or -jazz, in the bit you quote, but I could be wrong. In any case, the whole thing has a class-based snobbery about it that's quite obnoxious but otherwise empty and "untouched by the thought process" as Click & Clack say. I really thought the singers thing in the Atlantic was pretty good/not too bad/OK, but this one truly is a piece of shit...and just as wrongheaded and harmful to jazz as the anti-Parker piece refered to elsewhere.

[bertrand]

It's amazing how any post by Clem generates five more trying to figure out what he is talking about.

What a waste of our precious bandwidth.

Bertrand.

Edited February 3, 2006 by bertrand

[clifford_thornton]

"Not only wasn't this what I wanted from jazz, it wasn't what I needed from pop—songs, concision, dumb fun. Despite Henderson's funk bass, the operating aesthetic is closer to prog—too smart for its own good, but not as smart as it wants you to think"

I disagree - there are implications of 'song,' and revelry, but if one actually pays attention to the process of this band in continual reinvention over four nights, any of these implications are hacked to bits. I would say that most prog rock is far more obviously orchestrated than these works here - even the Softs at their most "out."

My $.02, fwiw.

[couw]

If everyone spoke English around here, it sure would save a lot of bandwidth.

it would save even more bandwidth if everyone spoke Dutch. Much less blahblah, more to the point, and much less native speakers who think that every shitty little nuance is caught by the entire world and everyone beyond.

We desperately need more talk-like-a-pirate days.

[Chuck Nessa]

If everyone spoke English around here, it sure would save a lot of bandwidth.

it would save even more bandwidth if everyone spoke Dutch. Much less blahblah, more to the point, and much less native speakers who think that every shitty little nuance is caught by the entire world and everyone beyond.

We desperately need more talk-like-a-pirate days.

Go stick your finger in a dike and save the world.

[couw]

If everyone spoke English around here, it sure would save a lot of bandwidth.

it would save even more bandwidth if everyone spoke Dutch. Much less blahblah, more to the point, and much less native speakers who think that every shitty little nuance is caught by the entire world and everyone beyond.

We desperately need more talk-like-a-pirate days.

Go stick your finger in a dike and save the world.

I'm busy, typing with one finger here now. What's your contribution?