chris olivarez Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 More holes than money sums it up for me too but on the other hand even if I filled those holes than enough time to listen to them all becomes another problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdogus Posted March 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 No Louis Armstrong, no Art Pepper, no Carla Bley. All very different, of course, and all astonishing (as musicians and as omissions). Compensatory confession: I have no Jackie McLean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 I have no............ORGANISSIMO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdogus Posted March 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 I have no............ORGANISSIMO! OK, now you've done it, Mister Threadkill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Personally I don't have to confess anything. From an academic point of view there are some big holes in pre bop era, vocal music and in the free jazz avantgarde of late sixties/early seventies. Years ago I decided I had to explore the land outside my preferred music, so I bought some of the 'essential' set like RCA Ellington, Hot Sive and Seven, Mosaic like Django and Bix, ecc. I don't listen to them very often, nor I acquired a better view of History of Jazz. I would say that the only set I regularly listen to is Billie Holyday. Anyway I like a lot of music after the 60's: Jarrett, Zorn, the electric Miles, ecc. It's the same for classical music, I can't dig most of pre Mozart music, and of Mozart I prefer his late works. Mahler and Bruckner are the other time border, after that I appreciate few things. I don't like Opera, a part Rossini and Mozart. I don't feel guilty about it. I am a music lover, not a teacher, producer, musician, critic, ecc.. You can put it in this way: An alcohlic is different from sommelier. BTW I have some Organissimo records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 I've always made it a practice to stay away from Jazz Giants on the understanding that I'd never have any difficulty buying albums by Trane, Duke, Armstrong etc, whereas trying to put together complete collections of John Patton, Don Wilkerson, Baby Face Willette, Lonnie Smith, Grant Green, Houston Person, Charles Kynard, Sam Lazar, Freddie Roach etc etc seemed like a priority, since there was little doubt in my mind that those guys albums would be bloody hard to get if I didn't buy them whenever I had the opportunity. Of course, after 40 odd years of approximate neglect, I have so many Giant holes in my collection that I'm rather proud of the following list, which I've put together through reading the earlier posts (to find out who these Giants are). Only the first two on the list do I regret not having any records of, and I intend to put that right later in the year. I suppose I ought to add Count Basie to the list, since the only Basie record I have is the album he made backing up Arthur Prysock. I do have two Bird albums. One Ornette. The other Giants are mainly in the "few" category. Only Stitt (Soul Jazz Stitt mainly, of course), Dex, Sonny Criss, Hank Mobley, Hamp Hawes and Pharoah Sanders are major artists in my collection. Here's the list Jelly Roll Morton King Oliver Bessie Smith Billie Holiday Ella Fitzgerald Miles Davis Fletcher Henderson Jimmy Lunceford Roy Eldridge Stan Getz Chet Baker Bix Beiderbecke Gerry Mulligan Art Tatum Albert Ayler Cecil Taylor Errol Garner Archie Shepp Jim Hall Tal Farlow Barney Kessel Shelley Manne Gil Evans Lee Konitz Art Pepper Sarah Vaughn MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonym Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 This thread just illustrates how we are all drawn toward a common purpose; the appreciation of jazz. Yet in doing this we all realise how expansive that appreciation becomes. I suppose that's one of the beautiful things about the music, like a journey into unknown territory, unsure of which paths to take for whatever reason. Those gaping holes are just avenues which didn't seem appropriate at the time but one day you'll turn back and wander down them. Just take your Organissimo map with you! (and a whistle if you get lost) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 This thread just illustrates how we are all drawn toward a common purpose; the appreciation of jazz. Yet in doing this we all realise how expansive that appreciation becomes. I suppose that's one of the beautiful things about the music, like a journey into unknown territory, unsure of which paths to take for whatever reason. Those gaping holes are just avenues which didn't seem appropriate at the time but one day you'll turn back and wander down them. Just take your Organissimo map with you! (and a whistle if you get lost) Hear hear! MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 (edited) Just take your Organissimo map with you! (and a whistle if you get lost) Absolutely! Don't forget THE ORGANISSIMO HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE JAZZ GALAXY and a towel Edited March 26, 2006 by porcy62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 (edited) Bill Evans Verves. I don't have them any longer--sold them off 10 years ago. I kinda wish I'd kept them. Edited March 26, 2006 by Allan Songer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 As one who writes about the music, it is sort of embarrassing to see how many holes I actually have. But then again, to write well one has to be more focused than broad... at least some of the time. That is, unless you're Borges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Definitely thinner on certain musicians than I would like, though I usually have at least one or two CDs by the various giants of jazz . I suppose the only major gaps are Fletcher Henderson and Woody Herman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Skid Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Not even a single disc by: Earl Hines (will remedy that soon!) Randy Weston (need to remedy that for sure) Horace Parlan (thinking about getting the Mosaic eventually) Stan Kenton Chet Baker Benny Goodman Nat King Cole Keith Jarrett Gerry Mulligan Errol Garner Jimmy Guiffre Ahmad Jamal Lonnie Smith Also, no Stan Getz other than a few old LPs that I borrowed from my father. Until recently, I was also very light on pre-bebop "early" jazz. Now I have a good start on Armstrong, Bechet, Basie, Ellington, Beiderbecke, Eldridge, Hawkins, James P. Johnson, Jelly Roll Morton, etc. Gunther Schuller's Early Jazz, plus some very helpful suggestions from fellow board members helped make it easier to appreciate and understand. I have also found that having at least a basic familiarity with the earlier stuff helps me get even more enjoyment out of the "later" music in my collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinuta Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 (edited) I guess my collection is far better than I thought ! As Lon said I envy many of you the great music you haven't heard. For me I have no Albert Ayler or Archie Shepp . Edited March 27, 2006 by kinuta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Filling holes in my collection left a big, big hole in my wallet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 I don't feel guilty about it. I am a music lover, not a teacher, producer, musician, critic, ecc.. Right on! I have no musical guilt whatsoever. Now on other subjects, well..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 No Armstrong, Basie, Goodman, Tatum or Waller... .....1 Dizzy... ....1 Ellington... ......no Coltrane Impulse years... .....no Pharoah, Shepp or Ornette.... .....no post-'66 Miles..... ....nor SUN RA..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Stuff on the Sonny Rollins Prestige box apart, I own nothing led by Miles. Nor any Stan Getz. Not by design, nor because I'm rabidly 'anti' either, but they're pretty egregious omissions. On which note, anyone without any Tatum should be shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 (edited) Off the top of my head... Ella Fitzgerald Chris Connor Jimmie Lunceford Chu Berry Chick Webb Horace Parlan Blue Mitchell (but in my yourmusic queue) Junior Mance Archie Shepp Albert Ayler Sonny Stitt Al Cohn (again, but in my yourmusic queue) Nancy Wilson Jimmy Rushing Lester Young Bob Brookmeyer Pepper Adams Sylvia Sims The Modernaires Art Tatum (Hi Red!) Sidney Bechet Kid Ory Jelly Roll Morton Lu Watters Earl Fatha Hines Edited March 27, 2006 by GA Russell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregN Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 very little parker and mingus You are admitting this Greg?! Man, that's all I got. oopps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 No Armstrong, Basie, Goodman, Tatum or Waller... .....1 Dizzy... ....1 Ellington... ......no Coltrane Impulse years... .....no Pharoah, Shepp or Ornette.... .....no post-'66 Miles..... ....nor SUN RA..... No wonder you post that silly crap in the political thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregN Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 No Armstrong, Basie, Goodman, Tatum or Waller... .....1 Dizzy... ....1 Ellington... ......no Coltrane Impulse years... .....no Pharoah, Shepp or Ornette.... .....no post-'66 Miles..... ....nor SUN RA..... No wonder you post that silly crap in the political thread. ouch and ZINGA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdogus Posted March 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Stuff on the Sonny Rollins Prestige box apart, I own nothing led by Miles. Nor any Stan Getz. Not by design, nor because I'm rabidly 'anti' either, but they're pretty egregious omissions. On which note, anyone without any Tatum should be shot Got it - some of the solo and group masterpieces on Pablo, and some of the solo stuff on Columbia (whew!) Now about that Miles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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