BFrank Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 I remember picking up the Milestone CD box as a remainder 10-15 years ago for VERY cheap (<$20 I think?). Still have it - great collection! Quote
mjazzg Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 I remember offloading the CD box set when times were tight. Often regretted it since. Quote
jlhoots Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 10 hours ago, BFrank said: I remember picking up the Milestone CD box as a remainder 10-15 years ago for VERY cheap (<$20 I think?). Still have it - great collection! Me too. Quote
sidewinder Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 2 hours ago, jlhoots said: Me too. and me. About £15 I think. Quote
HutchFan Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 Funny how at the beginning of the thread people were looking for Power to the People on CD. Now, it's being reissued on vinyl. What's old is new again. Quote
sidewinder Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 Personally, I'll be more than happy to stick with the CD. The sound on the CD box set is quite acceptable. Quote
HutchFan Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 (edited) 32 minutes ago, sidewinder said: Personally, I'll be more than happy to stick with the CD. The sound on the CD box set is quite acceptable. That's probably what I'm going to do too. But I will admit that the vinyl is darn tempting. For albums with a special place in my personal pantheon -- like Power to the People -- having them in two formats is nice. An indulgence, yes. But still nice. If Craft reissues Joe Hen's Multiple, I will definitely get it on vinyl -- despite already having the music in the CD box set. Because that album is even more special to me. Same with Canyon Lady. In my book, they're the two "crowns" of his Milestone years. Edited January 11 by HutchFan Quote
JSngry Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 Had it been determined if there was more from the In Japan date that might still exist? Quote
John L Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, JSngry said: Had it been determined if there was more from the In Japan date that might still exist? A recording surfaced some time ago from a concert given the next day as the one on "In Japan." But you probably knew that In Concert : Joe Henderson And Kikuchi Hino : Terumasa Hino (tp) Kohsuke Mine (sop,as) Joe Henderson (ts) Masabumi Kikuchi (p,el-p) Yoshio "Chin" Suzuki (b) Hiroshi Murakami, Yoshiyuki Nakamura (d) Live "Tokyo Toshi Center Hall", Tokyo, Japan, August 5, 1971 Sunrise in Tokyo Fontana (Jap)PAT1064, Philips (Jap)FX-8520 So what - - Get magic again - - Edited January 11 by John L Quote
JSngry Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 Yeah, got that one. Wondering about the JVC(?) recordings the the night before at the Junk Club. Surely they recorded more than just the four tunes that were issued? Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 The Japanese LP swaps "Black Narcissus" in for "Out 'n In." So there's one more track that was recorded. In addition, the US RVG version trims a little off of each cut. Quote
JSngry Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 I'd love to get that extra cut somehow. Has it surfaced anywhere besides the original issue? Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 I don't think so -- maybe it was not on the tape that was sent to Rudy? Looks like all CD issues are without it too. The Japanese pressing is really nice and quiet, and the mix feels a bit hotter than what Milestone released. Would be nice to get a definitive version with all five tracks. Quote
Big Al Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 Funny thing: this was issued on CD not more than a year after this thread was first started. Quote
felser Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 14 hours ago, clifford_thornton said: I don't think so -- maybe it was not on the tape that was sent to Rudy? Looks like all CD issues are without it too. The Japanese pressing is really nice and quiet, and the mix feels a bit hotter than what Milestone released. Would be nice to get a definitive version with all five tracks. Telling that it did not show up on the Milestone box 30 years ago. Quote
mikeweil Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 (edited) Strange that this very elaborate Joe Henderson Discography has nothing about these extra or substituted tracks. If you have proof of evidence, please contact the author. Edited January 13 by mikeweil Quote
Niko Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 (edited) On 1/12/2024 at 12:38 AM, John L said: A recording surfaced some time ago from a concert given the next day as the one on "In Japan." But you probably knew that In Concert : Joe Henderson And Kikuchi Hino : Terumasa Hino (tp) Kohsuke Mine (sop,as) Joe Henderson (ts) Masabumi Kikuchi (p,el-p) Yoshio "Chin" Suzuki (b) Hiroshi Murakami, Yoshiyuki Nakamura (d) Live "Tokyo Toshi Center Hall", Tokyo, Japan, August 5, 1971 Sunrise in Tokyo Fontana (Jap)PAT1064, Philips (Jap)FX-8520 So what - - Get magic again - - Re "some time ago", this material first came out in the 70s already... Edited January 13 by Niko Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 There's also a version of Kikuchi's "Dancing Mist" from that concert that was released separately from the Philips/Fontana LP listed above. Quote
Niko Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 That, too, Discogs has quite a few versions including that bootleg on "Jazz Door" https://www.discogs.com/master/895315-Joe-Henderson-And-Kikuchi-Hino-In-Concert Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 (edited) Don’t know about any bootlegs specifically with the version of “Dancing Mist” with Joe (although there were a couple CD boots with the entire Phillips/Fontana LP, but with no extra material as far as I know)… …BUT, there was this obscure (legit) double-LP with just that one cut — and several other versions of the same tune (different bands) that came out in Japan only in 1971. https://www.discogs.com/release/7535147-Masabumi-Kikuchi-All-About-Dancing-Mist A friend of mine found it in the blogosphere somewhere a downloaded and burned me a copy — but the tune itself isn’t all that exciting, imho (iirc). But afaik, this obscure double-LP is the only source of the extra “Dancing Mist” track. Edited January 13 by Rooster_Ties Quote
sambrasa Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 Interesting thing about the "In Japan" album, it was 1st released in Japan under different title, "Henderson's Habiliment," which includes Black Narcissus that does not appear on western editions, but omits Out 'n In. Would be nice to see whole deal reissued. Funny the Japanese have not touched it even when their own top players are involved. Quote
romualdo Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 5 hours ago, sambrasa said: Interesting thing about the "In Japan" album, it was 1st released in Japan under different title, "Henderson's Habiliment," which includes Black Narcissus that does not appear on western editions, but omits Out 'n In. Would be nice to see whole deal reissued. Funny the Japanese have not touched it even when their own top players are involved. according to Lord they're the same track (Black Narcissus = Out 'n In) Henderson's Habiliment : Joe Henderson Quartet : Joe Henderson (ts) Hideo Ichikawa (el-p) Kunimitsu Inaba (b) Motohiko Hino (d) Live "Junk Club", Tokyo, Japan, August 4, 1971 'Round midnight (1) World (Jap)SMJX-10123, Milestone MSP9047 Black narcissus [Out'n in] - - Blue bossa (1) - - Junk blues (1) - - Note: "Black Narcissus" as "Out 'n in" (a retitling of "In 'n out") on Milestone, OJC releases. Milestone MSP9047 titled "Joe Henderson in Japan"; titles (1) are all edited on this release. This followed a pattern that the U.S. version aimed at keeping closer towards the usual 40 to 45 minutes per disk format of U.S. LPs, while the Japanese Victor release runs over 51 minutes long. All above titles also on OJC CD1040-2 [CD], Milestone 8MCD-4413-2 [CD]. [H4564]Add In Concert : Joe Henderson And Kikuchi Hino : Terumasa Hino (tp) Kohsuke Mine (sop,as) Joe Henderson (ts) Masabumi Kikuchi (p,el-p) Yoshio "Chin" Suzuki (b) Hiroshi Murakami, Yoshiyuki Nakamura (d) Live "Tokyo Toshi Center Hall", Tokyo, Japan, August 5, 1971 Sunrise in Tokyo Fontana (Jap)PAT1064, Philips (Jap)FX-8520 So what - - Get magic again - - Note: All above titles also on Jazz Door 12120 [CD] titled "Sunrise in Tokyo". All above titles also on Philips (Jap)PHCE-4128 [CD] titled "Joe Henderson And Kikuchi Hino In Concert". Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 5 hours ago, sambrasa said: Interesting thing about the "In Japan" album, it was 1st released in Japan under different title, "Henderson's Habiliment," which includes Black Narcissus that does not appear on western editions, but omits Out 'n In. Would be nice to see whole deal reissued. Funny the Japanese have not touched it even when their own top players are involved. Lot more prior discussion about these two, rare Japanese Henderson tracks — including my post about halfway down to a 3-hr radio show with an exact time index where to hear “Black Narcissus” — and the link seems to be active. It was almost impossible to FF to the exact time index on my phone (iPhone). But I remember when I first posted it, it was easier to get it to FF on my laptop — and even easier on my work PC (at the time), which brought it up in the windows media player. (Just tried on my phone again, and it’s still impossible to FF any way other than in 10-second increments.) Quote
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