Van Basten II Posted June 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Orange Crush !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASNL77 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) What a win for Holland! Congrats to Van Basten II and commiserations to Porcy62. As for France, I can't believe how shocking we were. Edited June 9, 2008 by ASNL77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) First goal IS off-side. Second one was great. Italy played a shy first half, they woke up too late, missed a couple of goals in the second half and Netherland got the third one. Italian defence was definitely lower then usual, Netherland's one better then everybody expected in the first half, quite short of breath in the second half, but Italy's playing was meaningless. The Orange gained with merit. Edited June 9, 2008 by porcy62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Basten II Posted June 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 As a French fan, things are not looking so bleak, you have to wonder how Italy will be able to rebound after such a shellacking, so it may actually be not so bad, if Romania plays a tight game like they did today, this group may be wide open when we meet Italy in the third game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 As a French fan, things are not looking so bleak, you have to wonder how Italy will be able to rebound after such a shellacking, so it may actually be not so bad, if Romania plays a tight game like they did today, this group may be wide open when we meet Italy in the third game. I am not really worried, italian's (teams) do it better when they have some pressure, anyway it's just football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user0815 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 uh oh ... bad, bad day for the italian team ... new hope for france ? now the italian team has to beat romania on friday or otherwise it's all over for italy ... i'm not so sure that the italian team has the mental power to handle this difficult situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Officials blew the call on the first goal. At least my second favourite team* is delivering the goods... *Coached by 'Van Basten I', no less. Congratulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I think the Italians will just shrug this one off. I felt they played well for much of the game. They fell to a blatantly offside goal (awful, awful, awful decision - it really wasn't even close!), and two on the counter-attack...if they can be even slightly more disciplined at the back, I think they'll be ok. But today - wow, they missed Cannavaro... I'd say Germany are the ones to beat of those we've seen so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) First goal IS off-side. I think the Italians will just shrug this one off. I felt they played well for much of the game. They fell to a blatantly offside goal (awful, awful, awful decision - it really wasn't even close!), and two on the counter-attack...if they can be even slightly more disciplined at the back, I think they'll be ok. OK, I wasn't going to post on Org anymore, but I really have to step in. Porcy62 and Red, you're both wrong. Van Nistelrooij was ON-side when he scored the first Dutch goal. The rules say that a defender who steps or falls behind the line stays in-play in a case like this, so the Italian defender behind the line must be counted. It's different with strikers, once they step behind the line they're out of play. I don't know why there's a difference between strikers and defenders, but that's the rule. The referee was correct and the goal was a good one. Edited June 9, 2008 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user0815 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 tomorrow we will see spain vs russia and also the legendary team from greece, winner of the euro 2004, with their german coach greece has to play against sweden so ... forget about italy, france, germany and all the other usual suspects ... better watch out for the greek team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Basten II Posted June 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 The D group in a less glamorous way is as intriguing as the group C. Sweden is more or less the Romania of that group but who will be the Dutch ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) First goal IS off-side. I think the Italians will just shrug this one off. I felt they played well for much of the game. They fell to a blatantly offside goal (awful, awful, awful decision - it really wasn't even close!), and two on the counter-attack...if they can be even slightly more disciplined at the back, I think they'll be ok. OK, I wasn't going to post on Org anymore, but I really have to step in. Porcy62 and Red, you're both wrong. Van Nistelrooij was ON-side when he scored the first Dutch goal. The rules say that a defender who steps or falls behind the line stays in-play in a case like this, so the Italian defender behind the line must be counted. It's different with strikers, once they step behind the line they're out of play. I don't know why there's a difference between strikers and defenders, but that's the rule. The referee was correct and the goal was a good one. It might be, though italian international referees said just the opposite you say, their interpretation is that if a defender, behind the line, can engage in the play is to be counted, but Panucci clearly wasn't, since he was down, anyway there will be some rumours about it, and the FIFA will explain. Nevertheless Netherland deserved to win, at least for the poor defence of italians, yes, Red, Cannavaro is a big loss. Van Basten was right, Donadoni was wrong, it's football. Kudos to the Oranje. BTW Welcome back, J.A.W. I hope you didn't drop here only for a stupid football match Edited June 9, 2008 by porcy62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) First goal IS off-side. I think the Italians will just shrug this one off. I felt they played well for much of the game. They fell to a blatantly offside goal (awful, awful, awful decision - it really wasn't even close!), and two on the counter-attack...if they can be even slightly more disciplined at the back, I think they'll be ok. OK, I wasn't going to post on Org anymore, but I really have to step in. Porcy62 and Red, you're both wrong. Van Nistelrooij was ON-side when he scored the first Dutch goal. The rules say that a defender who steps or falls behind the line stays in-play in a case like this, so the Italian defender behind the line must be counted. It's different with strikers, once they step behind the line they're out of play. I don't know why there's a difference between strikers and defenders, but that's the rule. The referee was correct and the goal was a good one. It might be, though italian international referees said just the opposite you say, their interpretation is that if a defender, behind the line, can engage in the play is to be counted, but Panucci clearly wasn't, since he was down, anyway there will be some rumours about it, and the FIFA will explain. Nevertheless Netherland deserved to win, at least for the poor defence of italians, yes, Red, Cannavaro is a big loss. BTW Welcome back, J.A.W. A UEFA rules official has already explained; he said exactly what I posted above. Whether or not the defender is able to take part in the play is not relevant. Edited June 9, 2008 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 A UEFA rules official has already explained; he said exactly what I posted above. Whether or not the defender is able to take part in the play is not relevant. Great, so it's all solved then, you can leave the forum again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 A UEFA rules official has already explained; he said exactly what I posted above. Whether or not the defender is able to take part in the play is not relevant. Great, so it's all solved then, you can leave the forum again. Very nice, but judging by past experiences that's to be expected of you, I suppose. I'll take your advice and leave again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 A UEFA rules official has already explained; he said exactly what I posted above. Whether or not the defender is able to take part in the play is not relevant. Great, so it's all solved then, you can leave the forum again. Very nice, but judging by past experiences that's to be expected of you, I suppose. I'll take your advice and leave again. J.A.W. If if you read well my first post I welcomed you and I was everything, but rude towards you. You posts were assertive and didn't show any hint of kindness, actually something like: 'I am glad to be back' or BS like these, so what would you expect from me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Porcy62 and Red, you're both wrong. Van Nistelrooij was ON-side when he scored the first Dutch goal. The rules say that a defender who steps or falls behind the line stays in-play in a case like this, so the Italian defender behind the line must be counted. It's different with strikers, once they step behind the line they're out of play. I don't know why there's a difference between strikers and defenders, but that's the rule. The referee was correct and the goal was a good one. There's a special rule for such cases - not even Günther Netzer knew it quite surely. They analysed the scene in slow motion on German TV - the goal was correct. Italy looked pretty clueless most of the time. Their coach lamented his team being basically too slow and technically underaccomplished for today's European standards - they didn't show him he was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user0815 Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Italian Refereeing Chief: Van Nistelrooy Goal Legitimate "The president of the Italian referee association (AIA), Cesare Gussoni, believes that Ruud Van Nistelrooy’s opener was legitimate despite a massive claim for offside" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swinging Swede Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Sweden is more or less the Romania of that group but who will be the Dutch ? Speaking of Sweden, the legendary Henrik Larsson, soon 37, who twice has retired form the national team, is back again. He played in the Swedish national team way back in the 1994 World Cup, and scored two goals then. This is his 6th big championship. Larsson is teamed at the top (?) with Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who scored both goals in Inter's last match of the Italian league and thus secured the 2008 Scudetto for the club. Ibrahimovic has often been somewhat of a disappointment in the national team though. He has played reasonably well, but not been able to score much. Hopes are high this time though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Basten II Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Sweden is more or less the Romania of that group but who will be the Dutch ? Speaking of Sweden, the legendary Henrik Larsson, soon 37, who twice has retired form the national team, is back again. He played in the Swedish national team way back in the 1994 World Cup, and scored two goals then. This is his 6th big championship. Larsson is teamed at the top (?) with Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who scored both goals in Inter's last match of the Italian league and thus secured the 2008 Scudetto for the club. Ibrahimovic has often been somewhat of a disappointment in the national team though. He has played reasonably well, but not been able to score much. Hopes are high this time though. It's generally not a good sign when you have to rely on ancient player like him to help your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swinging Swede Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Not generally, but Larsson may be the exception. When he signed with Barcelona in 2004 the physical examination showed that his values were what would be expected from a much younger body, and when Manchester United borrowed him in early 2007 they were so impressed that they wanted to keep him. Said Sir Alex Ferguson last year: ""He's been fantastic for us, we tried everything we could to get him to stay longer". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Basten II Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) The good thing he's still playing at a top level in domestic competition plus age is maybe less relevant for a forward than a defender , ask Materazzi who was shite yesterday. It also depends on how the group feels about his inclusion in the squad. Then again i can be wrong, heck i was against bringing back Zidane prior to the last World Cup, because i felt it was unfair to the players who helped qualify the team, i maybe wrong but at least i'm consistent. Edited June 10, 2008 by Van Basten II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swinging Swede Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Yes, that could be a problem, but Larsson is well-liked in the group and in this case everybody seems to be happy that he is back. He has also said that he now intends to continue in the national team and play the qualifying matches for the 2010 World Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swinging Swede Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Sweden beats the reigning European Champions!! And surely 2-0 was one of the most beautiful goals ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Basten II Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Thank you Sweden for giving the Greeks their comeuppance for their negative play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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