medjuck Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Is it political to discuss this? Seems callous that there's no mention of it on this board. How about if we just discuss what music is best to play on hearing about it. Ghost of Miles suggested "Alabama" on FB. Weirdly enough reading that was when I first knew something bad had happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) "Alabama" indeed. Coltrane captured a timeless sorrow. Horrific story. Glad they caught the living evil that did this. I wish peace and comfort for all the friends and family of those nine lost souls. Edited June 18, 2015 by Scott Dolan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I just don't know what to say. This seems like 60 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffcrom Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Dark times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 "Alabama" indeed. Coltrane captured a timeless sorrow. Horrific story. Glad they caught the living evil that did this. I wish peace and comfort for all the friends and family of those nine lost souls. What he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Monstrous. I realize we can't discuss politics here - and politics maybe don't belong in a thread dedicated to mourning the victims - but I'll just say no full and honest discussion of this terrorist atrocity can evade the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 How about if we just discuss what music is best to play on hearing about it. I would suggest no music at all, lest we delude ourselves into finding some "comfort" in any of this. No, there is no comfort in this, anywhere, at any level. Leave the music off and scream. Scream until it feels like it's going to kill you, and then scream some more, because goddamit, it is going to kill you. It's going to kill us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I just don't know what to say. This seems like 60 years ago. Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnblitweiler Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 "Alabama" indeed. Coltrane captured a timeless sorrow. Horrific story. Glad they caught the living evil that did this. I wish peace and comfort for all the friends and family of those nine lost souls. So do I. It often feels like America is entering a new Dark Age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I've thought, typed, deleted, typed and deleted again thoughts about this all afternoon - I actually didn't hear the news until around lunchtime for whatever reason - and it's just incomprehensible and fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) I started seeing reports about it online last night around 10:45 p.m. I was supposed to start vacation today, but went to the station this afternoon and removed the pre-recorded program I'd loaded in for the regularly scheduled show, playing this music instead: http://indianapublicmedia.org/justyouandme/2015-06-18/ Normally on Thursdays I play only Indiana jazz artists or artists coming to Indiana--hence the presence of those J.J., Freddie Hubbard, and Wes Montgomery tracks, all of which had moods that seemed to fit this particular program in one way or another. As I said during the show, we don't normally pull current events into Just You And Me, but when something this awful and harrowing happens, it seems weird and wrong not to acknowledge it. Especially in this instance, given jazz's longstanding relationship with the civil-rights movement. Edited June 19, 2015 by ghost of miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I guess the trifecta of racism, insanity and guns are something I can't square completely or correctly as one over the other. Either way, all bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I find it's becoming a constant battle not to give in to despair... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I guess the trifecta of racism, insanity and guns are something I can't square completely or correctly as one over the other. Either way, all bad. I might be wrong, but I think you'll find that insanity played no part in this tragedy. Fear, anger and ignorance are all that is necessary for this kind of human behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Not sure about that, sonny. There is nothing sane about murdering 9 people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uli Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I just don't know what to say. This seems like 60 years ago. Yes it's so sad. It should be part of a dark history but new generations of racists are bred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) Not sure about that, sonny. There is nothing sane about murdering 9 people. "Insanity" means that the person either could not control their behavior, or they could not distinguish right from wrong due to mental illness. From all accounts, this individual was focused, determined and in full control of his actions. We tend to identify such people and their actions as "insane", "monstrous" or "pure evil" in order to protect and distance ourselves from the harsh reality that tragedies like this are the result of the fear, ignorance and hatred of those who believe they are losing their ability to exert power and control in our society. Edited June 19, 2015 by sonnymax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwbol Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) Not sure about that, sonny. There is nothing sane about murdering 9 people. "Insanity" means that the person either could not control their behavior, or they could not distinguish right from wrong due to mental illness. From all accounts, this individual was focused, determined and in full control of his actions. We tend to identify such people and their actions as "insane", "monstrous" or "pure evil" in order to protect and distance ourselves from the harsh reality that tragedies like this are the result of the fear, ignorance and hatred of those who believe they are losing their ability to exert power and control in our society. A psychiatric diagnosis is not a prerequisite for mass murder, nor does such a diagnosis make one generally more inclined to commit (mass) murder. If every killer with a certain number of sociopathic personality traits was declared insane, hardly anyone would get convicted for murder, and instead most would be institutionalised. You might with equal right declare all believers in holy books and prophets insane. Popularly mass murderers might be regarded as insane, but this is counterproductive in getting people to understand what a certain psychiatric diagnosis means for a person's personality and behaviour. Edited June 19, 2015 by erwbol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I just keep coming back to: why are guns so available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/06/18/white_extremist_murders_killed_at_least_60_in_u_s_since_1995.html More than half of these incidents have occurred in the past 6 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Man Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I just keep coming back to: why are guns so available? As someone who doesn't live in the US, I continually ask the same question........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Is it a coincidence that that is when the Tea Party started to really "bloom"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwbol Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 A US style gun culture is also no prerequisite to mass murder. Hate is more elemental, for instance hatred of the kafir (infidel). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Maybe but the US stance on gun control makes the availability of the means to express that hate so much more deadly and readily available. In the UK we're not immune to barbaric acts but they are thankfully fewer and less regular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Not sure about that, sonny. There is nothing sane about murdering 9 people. "Insanity" means that the person either could not control their behavior, or they could not distinguish right from wrong due to mental illness. From all accounts, this individual was focused, determined and in full control of his actions. We tend to identify such people and their actions as "insane", "monstrous" or "pure evil" in order to protect and distance ourselves from the harsh reality that tragedies like this are the result of the fear, ignorance and hatred of those who believe they are losing their ability to exert power and control in our society. I can't follow you down that road. Besides, you kind contradicted yourself when you said being able to discern between right and wrong. Not sure in what reality murder is right, but it isn't in this one. And if he didn't realize it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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