So, What Are You Listening To NOW?

[Rabshakeh]

2 hours ago, AllenLowe said:

I am going to say something self-promotional here; Jason is a great pianist, but that album to me represents the worst kind of pseudo-interpretation of older materials. It sounds like just another stiff white version of old-timey music (in spite of some "contemporary" sounding soloists who end up just sounding like they are at the wrong session). Musicians who do these kinds of projects tend to expose themselves as having not really listened to that old sound - black and white - and have ended up with these awful, polite examinations of what should be unruly music.

This reflected half of my view, but I found the record greatly improved in the second half, when there was more Moran. In the first half it had a very academic stiffness, which felt pedagogical. It reminded me of some of the dreaded later era Wynton Marsalis records, where he is doing little more than re-enact early jazz as an educational tool.

[AllenLowe]

11 minutes ago, Rabshakeh said:

This reflected half of my view, but I found the record greatly improved in the second half, when there was more Moran. In the first half it had a very academic stiffness, which felt pedagogical. It reminded me of some of the dreaded later era Wynton Marsalis records, where he is doing little more than re-enact early jazz as an educational tool.

I also note how sterile the recording sounds - basically everything sounds completely isolated, which is probably the way it was done. There is no real space, no harmonic interaction between the instruments, like it was phoned in. Honestly, and this goes counter to some other things I have said, but white audiences of a certain kind love this kind of b.s, think it's socially edifying.

[Rabshakeh]

3 minutes ago, AllenLowe said:

I also note how sterile the recording sounds - basically everything sounds completely isolated, which is probably the way it was done. There is no real space, no harmonic interaction between the instruments, like it was phoned in. Honestly, and this goes counter to some other things I have said, but white audiences of a certain kind love this kind of b.s, think it's socially edifying.

Moran is not the only piano-playing jazz educator that I think sells this sort of socially edifying (nice way to describe it) but rather arid stuff. 

I like this record quite a lot more than other socially edifying recent albums by some of Moran's piano-playing jazz educator peers, where the music comes packed with some sort of Albert Murray-meets-academic lecture but wouldn't be able to locate a sense of swing if it was in a playground.

At least I remember it.

[jlhoots]

12 minutes ago, Rabshakeh said:

Moran is not the only piano-playing jazz educator that I think sells this sort of socially edifying (nice way to describe it) but rather arid stuff. 

I like this record quite a lot more than other socially edifying recent albums by some of Moran's piano-playing jazz educator peers, where the music comes packed with some sort of Albert Murray-meets-academic lecture but wouldn't be able to locate a sense of swing if it was in a playground.

At least I remember it.

Name some of these peers so I'll know what to avoid.

[Rabshakeh]

Just now, jlhoots said:

Name some of these peers so I'll know what to avoid.

I'm thinking 2023 Iyer and Iverson in particular. Both musicians who I certainly have enjoyed in the past, at points.

[jlhoots]

50 minutes ago, AllenLowe said:

I found it edifying. Since I've listened to it I have become a MAGA person, since the recording fits the persona of people who are deathly afraid of real blackness.

I suppose that's satire or sarcasm - otherwise I have no idea what it means.

[mjazzg]

46 minutes ago, AllenLowe said:

I also note how sterile the recording sounds - basically everything sounds completely isolated, which is probably the way it was done. There is no real space, no harmonic interaction between the instruments, like it was phoned in. Honestly, and this goes counter to some other things I have said, but white audiences of a certain kind love this kind of b.s, think it's socially edifying.

I'm sorry but that's just b.s. in itself. Some of us enjoy music for how it sounds to us and don't need a whole heap of history to do so.

I'm sure all your peerless research gives you the right piss on other musicians, but possibly only in your world. You seem intent on setting yourself above so many others, both musicians and listeners, it's tiresome 

There, that's off my chest now. I'm off to listen to some Jason Moran and be socially edified (whatever the fk that actually means) whilst doing so

 

Edited April 17, 2023 by mjazzg

[John Tapscott]

6 hours ago, EKE BBB said:

1955 Verve Take 2 edition, including

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13 hours ago, EKE BBB said:

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13 hours ago, BillF said:

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5 hours ago, HutchFan said:

NP:

Duke Ellington - Hot Summer Dance (Red Baron)
A concert recording of an ordinary night on the road that captures the nonchalant, extraordinary brilliance of EKE & his orchestra.

 

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Now:

Very much of its time ( 1974), but the Herd is in great form and Gregory Herbert (RIP) is heavily featured here. He was a a superb tenor player. 

[jazzbo]

3 hours ago, HutchFan said:

That's interesting.  Oliver Nelson arrangements are still thrilling to me*.

 

 

* with one exception.

 

Not me. I was never a big fan, I'm less of a fan now.

Edited April 17, 2023 by jazzbo

[mikeweil]

[Peter Friedman]

[HutchFan]

Excellent!

 

[jazzbo]

Olivia Byington “Anção do Amor Demais–Canta Tom e Vinicius”

[T.D.]

25 minutes ago, HutchFan said:

Excellent!

 

That's one I happen to own (collection in this general area is not extensive). I'd like to get more recordings with Harry Miller as leader but they're not easy to find.

Excellent indeed!  

[Chuck Nessa]

[HutchFan]

1 minute ago, T.D. said:

That's one I happen to own (collection in this general area is not extensive). I'd like to get more recordings with Harry Miller as leader but they're not easy to find.

I think this is Miller's only studio outing as a leader:

Harry Miller's Isipingo - Family Affair

OTOH, it seems like Miller worked with (nearly) everyone on the UK jazz scene.  So, fortunately, his recordings as a sideman are plentiful.  

 

[John Tapscott]

[T.D.]

7 minutes ago, HutchFan said:

I think this is Miller's only studio outing as a leader:

Harry Miller's Isipingo - Family Affair

OTOH, it seems like Miller worked with (nearly) everyone on the UK jazz scene.  So, fortunately, his recordings as a sideman are plentiful.  

 

Yes, I have quite a few recordings w. Miller as sideman.

There's this 3-CD collection featuring him as leader,

which is scarce as hen's teeth. Michael (on behalf of Scott aka freejazz) sold one on this forum, but I snoozed and lost out. 😢

[HutchFan]

8 minutes ago, T.D. said:

There's this 3-CD collection featuring him as leader,

which is scarce as hen's teeth. Michael (on behalf of Scott aka freejazz) sold one on this forum, but I snoozed and lost out. 😢

Wow.  I had no idea about that music, that set!   Thanks for the heads-up.     

While downloads are less than ideal, it does look like Ogun offers (some of?) this stuff digitally.  

 

[T.D.]

Thanks, I may go the DL route as the set is appealing to say the least.

[HutchFan]

Now streaming:

Rashied Ali / Frank Lowe - Duo Exchange (Survival, 1973)

 

[HutchFan]

Now:

Fourth World - Recorded Live at Ronnie Scott's Club (Ronnie Scott's Jazz House, 1992)

 

[Stompin at the Savoy]

 

[Gheorghe]

8 hours ago, John Tapscott said:

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Very much of its time ( 1974), but the Herd is in great form and Gregory Herbert (RIP) is heavily featured here. He was a a superb tenor player. 

I saw Woody Herman and his Thundering Herd in 1979 and he looked exactly like on this foto. White suit, a band of mostly young musicians, and he featured some Chick Corea compositions. Remarcable for an old man from the past. He didn´t use an acoustic bass, he had a Fender bass player in the band. Woody´s a bit old fashioned clarinet was somehow out of place in that surrounding, I think they did an oldtime stuff "Caledonia" too. 

It was the last act at an international festival, I was more into the more modern bands like Elvin Jones, Joe Henderson, Sonny Rollins, Ron Carter, but as a finale, it was quite a nice thing. 

The other time I saw Woody Herman was a more conservative combo with three tenor players (Al Cohn, Buddy Tate, Scott Hamilton) , this time with an acoustic bass and a bit more clarinet solos by Woody and a very fine vocal by Woody (I got the world on a string). 

I was never the biggest fan of Woody Herman, but sure I like his music.

The stuff I spin mostly is a thing from Monterey with some big stars featured, favourites of mine like Diz, Woody Shaw, Stan Getz and Slide Hampton I think. 

In 1983 he did an interview with Gudrun Endress, it was a hard time for him, something with tax depths, he was quite bitter and frustrated. But he also made a quite dumb statement like "he can be a tough German, he can slap a bandmember in the face and then turn around and smile at the audience", He should not have said that, but ...... I always have a smile when I listen to him, though sometimes it sounds a bit too "white", especially in the 40´s, where I prefer the big bands of Diz and Billy Eckstine, they swing better and have a more hip sound for that time.....

[EKE BBB]