Hey Kids, Have You Heard The News? MOSAIC's IN TROUBLE!!!

[Scott Dolan]

5 hours ago, David Ayers said:

I'm guessing if you guys entered Miss World you'd argue for world peace. Am I right?

 

 

That genuinely made me laugh out loud! 

[ElginThompson]

17 hours ago, JSngry said:

My Jamal set arrived today. Looking forward to really taking my time with it. Certainly not music to be digested in large quatities in a concentrated time span,

 

Yes, the Jamal set is best enjoyed with a few cocktails and an easy chair. 

[JSngry]

 

7 hours ago, David Ayers said:

I'm guessing if you guys entered Miss World you'd argue for world peace. Am I right?

What kind of entering are we talking about here?

[David Ayers]

Hold the door! Hold the door! Hold the door!

[Scott Dolan]

10 hours ago, Daniel A said:

 

It seems that the LP cover/CD booklet is a big factor for old-school music listerners (like myself), just like there's still a market for printed magazines. I expect this to change. There will be functional and inexpensive digital solutions for displaying text and pictures. The annual production of paper today exceeds 400 million tonnes, which doesn't seem like a sustainable use of natural resources.

iTunes is starting to offer booklets/liner notes with some of their releases, but I know you're referring to streaming. 

That said, I'd love to see a company like the one that made the Shazam! app do something similar for streaming services. Let's say you're streaming something and you pull out your phone/tablet, it recognizes the album you're listening to and up pops the "CD" booklet, and possibly other sources of information. It shouldn't be terribly difficult to do, although I suppose there may be licensing issues that would have to be hammered out beforehand. 

OH! And welcome back! Haven't seen you around lately. 

Edited May 10, 2017 by Scott Dolan

[Scott Dolan]

Jealous! 

I still haven't received a shipping number for the Benedetti set. I'm hoping it ships by the end of the week. 

[Hardbopjazz]

I ordered  Louis Armstrong
The Columbia and RCA Victor Live Recordings of Louis Armstrong and the All Stars (#257) 

I had the Benedetti set but it got water logged from hurricane Sandy 4 years ago. I am think of getting a new copy. 

[Dave Garrett]

On 5/9/2017 at 5:33 PM, lipi said:

Cuscuna's argument makes no sense--it didn't make sense ten pages ago (or was it in the deleted thread?), and it does not make sense now.

"The majors will never give us rights to downloads. It's their feeling that they can take a Mosaic set and dump the CDs into iTunes and put up the downloads for themselves. As long as they don't use the Mosaic name or box it like the Mosaic, they can do whatever they want—it's their material."

There is no difference between Mosaic's creating a CD set and Mosaic's creating a downloadable set when it comes to the label's being able to take it all and dump it into iTunes/Amazon/Bandcamp/... after. The same mechanism that protects the label's interests right now (limited number of sales and limited time of sale) can be used for downloadable content.

If the labels had any plans to release their back catalogue digitally imminently, then they'd have a reason to not grant the rights to a third party like Mosaic, but absolutely nothing points in that direction.

I don't have any problem following Cuscuna's argument. Not sure what doesn't make sense - without getting into the speculation as to whether Mosaic has or has not had discussions with the major labels about Mosaic doing downloads, it certainly wouldn't be unheard of for the labels to license music for CD or LP release only, and refuse to extend that license agreement to digital downloads. They may think they will do their own digital releases of catalog material eventually, or they may think they might get more money for licensing downloads at some point in the future. 

I see comments online all the time where someone is scratching their head over the fact that a big record company or film studio refuses to either release a specific music or film catalog title or license it to someone eager to do so, because it would obviously be almost like collecting free money for the record company/studio in question. They don't have to have an imminent strategy to monetize their own catalog titles themselves in order to refuse licensing agreements. Sometimes it's corporate policy, like Warner, who almost never license any of their catalog film properties to third-party companies like Criterion. And sometimes it's difficult to get anyone who can greenlight such licensing agreements interested unless there's a substantial amount of money involved. 

[xybert]

1 hour ago, Dave Garrett said:

I don't have any problem following Cuscuna's argument. Not sure what doesn't make sense - without getting into the speculation as to whether Mosaic has or has not had discussions with the major labels about Mosaic doing downloads, it certainly wouldn't be unheard of for the labels to license music for CD or LP release only, and refuse to extend that license agreement to digital downloads. They may think they will do their own digital releases of catalog material eventually, or they may think they might get more money for licensing downloads at some point in the future. 

I see comments online all the time where someone is scratching their head over the fact that a big record company or film studio refuses to either release a specific music or film catalog title or license it to someone eager to do so, because it would obviously be almost like collecting free money for the record company/studio in question. They don't have to have an imminent strategy to monetize their own catalog titles themselves in order to refuse licensing agreements. Sometimes it's corporate policy, like Warner, who almost never license any of their catalog film properties to third-party companies like Criterion. And sometimes it's difficult to get anyone who can greenlight such licensing agreements interested unless there's a substantial amount of money involved. 

Yup. It would probably cost the rights holders more money to have somebody spend time on it than what they would make from it.

[J.A.W.]

Hesitated, but decided to post this: Scott Wenzel just told me the James P. Johnson set will be reprinted, but he couldn't say yet when. The Clifford Jordan is still a "maybe". 

Edited May 11, 2017 by J.A.W.

[crisp]

Thanks for that. Great news.

[mjzee]

1 hour ago, J.A.W. said:

Hesitated, but decided to post this: Scott Wenzel just told me the James P. Johnson set will be reprinted, but he couldn't say yet when. The Clifford Jordan is still a "maybe". 

No downloads???    (Sorry, I couldn't resist!  Not directed at you, J.A.W.)

[alonwa]

1 hour ago, J.A.W. said:

Hesitated, but decided to post this: Scott Wenzel just told me the James P. Johnson set will be reprinted, but he couldn't say yet when. The Clifford Jordan is still a "maybe". 

Hope they do indeed reprint the Clifford Jordan, as I'll buy it (from Jazz Messengers, though) if they do

[Scott Dolan]

1 hour ago, mjzee said:

No downloads???    (Sorry, I couldn't resist!  Not directed at you, J.A.W.)

I'm actually wondering when the fetishists and hipsters will be clamoring for their very own Edison Phonograph and wax cylinders. 

[HutchFan]

1 hour ago, J.A.W. said:

Hesitated, but decided to post this: Scott Wenzel just told me the James P. Johnson set will be reprinted, but he couldn't say yet when. The Clifford Jordan is still a "maybe". 

HOORAY!  I'll definitely be ordering the JPJ set when it's available again.

Thanks for sharing that news, J.A.W.!

[mikeweil]

1 hour ago, HutchFan said:

HOORAY!  I'll definitely be ordering the JPJ set when it's available again.

Thanks for sharing that news, J.A.W.!

Same here, both sentences!

[sidewinder]

Another  from me. Will order when back in stock.

JPJ pressure group   1 :   Market Indifference 0

 

[Scott Dolan]

Does that mean all those who didn't order it during its initial run were part of the market indifference?  

Edited May 11, 2017 by Scott Dolan

[medjuck]

1 hour ago, sidewinder said:

Another  from me. Will order when back in stock.

JPJ pressure group   1 :   Market Indifference 0

 

Maybe I misunderstand (I often do) but shouldn't  you order them before they're back in print to encourage them to print them?  There's no risk since they don't charge you until they ship. 

[sidewinder]

1 hour ago, Scott Dolan said:

Does that mean all those who didn't order it during its initial run were part of the market indifference?  

In a word - no. 

[Ed S]

1 hour ago, BFrank said:

I already placed an order for Clifford Jordan. I suggest anyone who's interested in that box should do the same. Maybe they're waiting to see what the demand is before ordering another run.

Proud to have been a member of the James P Johnson pressure group with my order already placed.  Great Success!  This might actually have been my first successful effort in that realm.

 

As a proud owner of the Clifford Jordan Strata East set, all I can say is that this set really needs to be available and I urge everyone who is on the fence to place an order.  I love this set.

[crisp]

17 hours ago, medjuck said:

Maybe I misunderstand (I often do) but shouldn't  you order them before they're back in print to encourage them to print them?  There's no risk since they don't charge you until they ship. 

Yes. I ordered it last week. Haven't previously ordered backordered sets because I couldn't see the point but now it seems to be an important sign of encouragement to reprint.

I'm unsure about the Clifford Jordan. How avant garde is it? I'm not allergic to free jazz but it isn't my favourite and I try to keep it to a minimum.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

1 hour ago, crisp said:

Yes. I ordered it last week. Haven't previously ordered backordered sets because I couldn't see the point but now it seems to be an important sign of encouragement to reprint.

I'm unsure about the Clifford Jordan. How avant garde is it? I'm not allergic to free jazz but it isn't my favourite and I try to keep it to a minimum.

I have similar tastes and I have been enjoying Jordan's "Glass Bead Games" for years. I just ordered this Mosaic set to see if the rest of it is as good.

 

Edited May 12, 2017 by Kevin Bresnahan

[Scott Dolan]

That's barely Avant-garde at all. Good tune, though. 

[WarpedOrb]

No, I wouldn't call anything on the Jordan box free, but some does venture into the avant-garde woods. Glass Bead Games is a classic record. It's a great set made more varied than some because of the many leaders. Jordan isn't even on one or two of the dates. Is this the first time Sonny Sharrock has been on a Mosaic? Don Cherry on two dates too - love that man.