Steve Swallow on the Getz "Sweet Rain" debacle

[sgcim]

I don't know if this has been posted before, but I never knew that Getz tried to make "Sweet Rain" with Steve Swallow and Roy Haynes, but it had to be canned, because Getz was all messed up again... He blamed it on Roy Haynes(!), whom Creed Taylor fired, and Swallow quit, so Creed Taylor hired Ron Carter and Grady Tate:

This comes up at 51 minutes and change into the interview:

 

[soulpope]

10 hours ago, sgcim said:

I don't know if this has been posted before, but I never knew that Getz tried to make "Sweet Rain" with Steve Swallow and Roy Haynes, but it had to be canned, because Getz was all messed up again... He blamed it on Roy Haynes(!), whom Creed Taylor fired, and Swallow quit, so Creed Taylor hired Ron Carter and Grady Tate:

This comes up at 51 minutes and change into the interview:

 

Didn't know that .... thnx for sharing ....

[Daniel A]

One track ("Windows") from the first session was included on a Chick Corea compilation album. It is very good. 

There seemed to have been plans to include more material from the initial session on an expanded CD reissue of 'Sweet Rain' at some point, but reportedly it was blocked by the Getz estate. There is thread on that somewhere on this forum. 

[soulpope]

32 minutes ago, Daniel A said:

One track ("Windows") from the first session was included on a Chick Corea compilation album. It is very good. 

There seemed to have been plans to include more material from the initial session on an expanded CD reissue of 'Sweet Rain' at some point, but reportedly it was blocked by the Getz estate. There is thread on that somewhere on this forum. 

Could somebody supply guidance to this thread, pls ....

[Kevin Bresnahan]

 

Edited December 3, 2020 by bresna

[soulpope]

Edit : agreed with a forum member to let things go .....

Edited December 3, 2020 by soulpope

[soulpope]

Edit : agreed with a forum member to let things go .....

Edited December 3, 2020 by soulpope

[Joe]

Thanks for posting; great conversations in this video. 

[Kevin Bresnahan]

Because of this thread, I am playing "Sweet Rain" again. Such a lovely record. Getz and Corea playing beautifully.

[Daniel A]

3 hours ago, soulpope said:

Could somebody supply guidance to this thread, pls ....

The thread I was thinking of is actually still there (I'm amazed that it was 17 years ago!): 

 

[clifford_thornton]

Steve Swallow seems like a really nice guy. Never seen him play, alas.

[soulpope]

1 hour ago, Daniel A said:

The thread I was thinking of is actually still there (I'm amazed that it was 17 years ago!): 

Thnx .... was at that time "sleeper" on this forum and therefore didn`t notice .... interesting read about the thin borderline between freedom of speech and potential accusations ....

[functusian]

I'm so glad this is here, as NYU pulled this video from YouTube and is now unlisted. We can still access it because of the above link!

[mikeweil]

The Getz estate wants to protect the image of Getz as a supreme jazz artist, ignoring his dark sides. Blaming another musician, and a great one as Roy Haynes, on the failure of a session, is unbearable, IMO.

[gmonahan]

Getz was one of those deeply flawed human beings who played great music. Like Kevin in the original thread, seeing this has caused me to get out "Sweet Rain" and play it again. It is a very fine record.

[mikeweil]

Yes, but knowing such things somewhat spoils it for me. Some part of this egomaniac behaviour always remains in the music. 

[JSngry]

50 minutes ago, mikeweil said:

Yes, but knowing such things somewhat spoils it for me. Some part of this egomaniac behaviour always remains in the music. 

When Larry Kart talked about Getz' "mooing", that's what I always imagined he meant. And the longer I listened to Sweet Rain, the more of it I heard.

Captain Marvel. not so much Higher stakes in that one, imo 

[Pim]

What a highly unpleasant person he was. Stellar record though, probably my favorite Getz. The combination with Chick works like magic. Captain Marvel is great as well though it’s not so consistently good as Sweet Rain.

Edited 1 hour ago by Pim