The Complete Pharoah Sanders Theresa Recordings - New Mosaic

[JSngry]

A Mosaic of all known Ra recordings from his time in Chicago in chronological/session order would be a wonderful thing, but I don't think there's a business opening for that now. That's a good thing in that there is an active and ongoing market for all things Ra right now.

Fortunately, the resources to "build your own" such set are available, so...carpe diem 

[pglbook]

2 hours ago, JSngry said:

A Mosaic of all known Ra recordings from his time in Chicago in chronological/session order would be a wonderful thing, but I don't think there's a business opening for that now. That's a good thing in that there is an active and ongoing market for all things Ra right now.

Fortunately, the resources to "build your own" such set are available, so...carpe diem 

Fantastic idea! 

I (and my wallet) know that there have been a ton of Sun Ra released in the last 10 years (it truly is a golden age for Sun Ra fans) but a Mosaic Sun Ra Complete Chicago Recordings would be an amazing box set!

Another great one would be the Complete Sun Ra Horo Recordings if Mosaic could somehow get the license for that.

There are so many options with Sun Ra.

 
 

Edited yesterday at 01:29 AM by pglbook

[jlhoots]

Nuits De La Fondation Maeght will do it for me for now.

[david weiss]

5 hours ago, JSngry said:

A Mosaic of all known Ra recordings from his time in Chicago in chronological/session order would be a wonderful thing, but I don't think there's a business opening for that now. That's a good thing in that there is an active and ongoing market for all things Ra right now.

Fortunately, the resources to "build your own" such set are available, so...carpe diem 

How many albums total do you think this is?

[JSngry]

I ended up with 6? 8? 10?

Let me check tomorrow to be sure 

It's not albums as much as it is sessions

[romualdo]

3 hours ago, pglbook said:

Another great one would be the Complete Sun Ra Horo Recordings if Mosaic could somehow get the license for that

+1  but it probably would have only fitted the Mosaic Select format & not a big box (or is there more unreleased material)

[felser]

20 hours ago, JSngry said:

Truthfully, I never really found Pharaoh to be an "out" player to begin with. Very technically sound and working with the instrument's intrinsic mechanical capacities.

Reactions are of course subjective, but the methodology is not.

 

I was horrified when first I heard his work on this.  I was an 18-19 year old, new to jazz, in the early 70's.  Thought I was getting nice extended versions of two pretty songs with Coltrane and the guy who did "The Creator Has A Master Plan".

[JSngry]

I was also in high school when I first heard that one, on the radio,, "Naima". I was enthralled! I heard people singing, babies crying, all sorts of human sounds. I was enthralled! Hendrix had gotten me well-acclimated to sounds as sounds.

But again, it was all done by a saxophone, using things of which the saxophone can do using legitimate (if not originally intended) means.

[T.D.]

19 hours ago, JSngry said:

A Mosaic of all known Ra recordings from his time in Chicago in chronological/session order would be a wonderful thing, but I don't think there's a business opening for that now. That's a good thing in that there is an active and ongoing market for all things Ra right now.

Fortunately, the resources to "build your own" such set are available, so...carpe diem 

I think Sun Ra LLC has been killing it with Ra reissues, quantity, quality and sound-wise. Hard to imagine Mosaic stepping into their bailiwick. More than happy to "build my own".

Edited 18 hours ago by T.D.

[jazzbo]

I agree T.D.

[JSngry]

I do too.

Just make sure that you have access to a version of the Robert Campbell discography and the Sun Ra—The Eternal Myth Revealed Vol. 1: 1914-1959 set to get everything.

Grouping by session is quite useful imo because God knows that's not how they were ever released. Same thing with further grouping by recording order, as much as possible

You don't lose anything by not doing this, but you might gain, depending on your own personal wiring.

[T.D.]

Thanks for the tip.

I was fortunate to cop the Eternal Myth Revealed set when Stefan Wood was a big seller here.

And I have a Campbell discography in Szwed's book.

On the negative side of the ledger, I'm an old fart and have been too much of a Luddite to go the download route, so grouping by date or session looks like a daunting project.

[JSngry]

RIP! No downloading required if you already have the albums!

https://campber.people.clemson.edu/sunra.html

This (and the records) are all you need to do it 

Oh, that and time. Getting that whole "Marathon In Milwaukee" session was a bit of a lift. But not really difficult, just time heavy 

[clifford_thornton]

Back to the original thread, count me as surprised but appreciative that this is happening. I am plum out of room/bandwidth and have not connected with the Pharoahs on Theresa in the past, but am glad it will be there for those who are inclined.

[JSngry]

19 hours ago, david weiss said:

How many albums total do you think this is?

"Albums" is not the point here, because other than the two Transition dates, this stuff was spread out over a bunch of different albums, none of which were interested in chronological groupings.

My final products are on CD-Rs all over the place, in one big mess, but I can find, right now, a full 6 discs of material and have every indication that there's at least 2-3 more.

That's just Ra "jazz" cuts, not including sideman and doo-wop and other sessions. If you add those, you hit anywhere from 8-10 total.

[JSngry]

I do agree that Sun Ra LLC would be disinclined towards playing ball, but if I was going to throw something up against the wall...it would be that all the Chicago records put together like this, with players like Art Hoyle, James Spaulding, Julian Preister, Charles Davis, Pat Patrick, etc. in largely inside-ish setting would incentive buyers who would otherwise not go near a Saturn record.

Otoh - I don't know if that's so off-brand for them that they would just laugh everybody out of the room.

Anyway...The Bill Barron Mosaic has SUCH a nice ring to it!!!!!🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄

1 hour ago, clifford_thornton said:

...have not connected with the Pharoahs on Theresa in the past, but am glad it will be there for those who are inclined.

I admit that they were sort of a shock to the system back in the day, but as time passed and the arc went yet another way, I grew fond of most of them. So count me in!

[Guy Berger]

I am extremely excited about this - it would be my first Mosaic since the Mingus 1964-65 Jazz Workshop box.

[tranemonk]

I caved. Preordering....