Charles Tyler - Voyage from Jericho

[Gheorghe]

I have never heard him or seen him but often read his name.

Wasn/t he one of the guys who recorded for ESP. 

Like Guiseppe Logan, I have never seen or heard him, and he was ESP.

Anyway, those war interesting musicians on an interesting label. The only thing is, that a still living ESP artist with whom I have performed very often said that they didn´t get paid and it seems that he did not like tha Lawyer who was the boss of it. Okay keep away from Lawyers, there want your money but dont give you money...thats a fact.

[clifford_thornton]

Yes, Tyler recorded for ESP, twice as a leader and twice as a sideman. He eventually settled in France, after touring Europe a bunch.

Logan recorded twice as a leader for ESP as well as one sideman date (not to mention a sideman turn for Impulse) though as far as I know he did not tour Europe. A third ESP remains unissued.

[Niko]

Indeed, regarding visibility in Europe, there could be a big difference... But just because Tyler was in Europe... many Europeans missed him, and just because Logan was in Tompkins Square Park, many New Yorkers... I am currently reading the autobiography of Sonny Simmons, it's bleak in almost every aspect, certainly including pay from ESP even when including what could be extorted from Stollman's mother...

[clifford_thornton]

I interviewed Simmons around 20 years ago, and he definitely had a bleak go of things.

No musicians made anything out of their ESP deals at the time. My understanding is that the label is trying to right some previous wrongs, but there's still almost no money in this business.

[felser]

42 minutes ago, clifford_thornton said:

I interviewed Simmons around 20 years ago, and he definitely had a bleak go of things.

I saw him playing on the sidewalks of San Francisco for change in the late 70's or 80's, was stunned.

Edited January 25 by felser

[JSngry]

Some obstacles are self-induced.

But others aren't.

[Gheorghe]

On 1/25/2026 at 3:04 AM, clifford_thornton said:

I interviewed Simmons around 20 years ago, and he definitely had a bleak go of things.

No musicians made anything out of their ESP deals at the time. My understanding is that the label is trying to right some previous wrongs, but there's still almost no money in this business.

That´s what me had told Allan Praskin with whom I have played very often. He recorded for ESP, is the co-leader of the James Zitro album. I like that album very much. 

[Pim]

My copy is on it's way from Germany. Looking forward to it.