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The Miles Davis stamp (w/ the Jack Johnson pose!!) was 100x better!!

Is it just me, or does all this material from Vol 3 seem less "out there" now that we have the actual tunes and themes as they were presented live in their full context? Meaning as opposed to the cutdown/edited versions that Teo assembled? That isn't meant as a dis to Teo, or anyone for that matter. I'm just saying that these particular dates from June '70 almost seem more "approachable" than the "Black Beauty" edited proceedings from April '70 -- or even the dates with Wayne from March 1970 (which may be partially the result of being recorded so 'hot', or whatever the SQ challenges were with that show). In any case, I have to say I'm becoming more and more impressed with Vol 3, with every additional spin. Frankly, I was thinking I might hold off on buying Vol 3 (at least for a while), and it was only the UK deal that really pushed me over the edge. But I am really glad I jumped on this when I did!!

I'd be curious to hear your reactions to this set, Chuck, when you have the chance to give it a spin and offer your thoughts.

Finally did some in-depth listening to discs 3-4 today, and I'm even more impressed than before. Some more thoughts... 1) The interplay between Miles and Jack D. On the Disc3 version of "It's About That Time" is crazy good. 2) Agree the vamp from the last half of "Miles Runs The Voodoo Down" sounds like some other Chick tune I know. 3) "Willie Nelson" was so clear and focused, I almost wondered if I wasn't listening to a studio version (I say that, in part, because 70's live Miles so often gets to be kinda meandering at times - not always in a bad way -- these were definitely tight and focused nights, maybe because they had an hour to get in and get out). I'm damn impressed with this set (am still glad they included the bonus tracks, SQ issues and all), and I can't wait for Vol 4!

Nailed it.

His book on Miles is probably my favorite Miles bio. Partially for the material covered, but as much for how beautifully well-written it is. I haven't read it in years, but I'm tempted to dig it out again soon.

FWIW, I've always pronounced it "zved" -- going back to my first contacts with him back around 1990 and in the early 90's when he was researching Sun Ra (and to my shock, I was even mentioned by name in the list of "thankyou's" in the preface of his Ra biography -- along with several other people I crossed paths with later, for unrelated reasons). Now, whether that pronounciation is accurate (or not) -- or whether he and I only exchanged emails (pre-internet, at least for me (anyone remember Bitnet?)), or whether we spoke on the phone (which I kind of vaguely remember, but couldn't swear in a court of law) -- I really can't say. (My god, that was going on 25 years ago!) My 2 cents, which I'm sure someone mayl suggest is barely worth even that, I'm sure. <smile>

So true, so true!

Bump!

Didn't realize until recently that "Heaven on Earth" had ever been on CD before (outside of the LY Mosaic) -- but it does appear to have come out in Japan at some point in the last few years (to my shock). I'm seeing copies on eBay and Amazon for upwards or $40 or even $50. Anyone have one to spare? - or have a line or a more reasonably priced copy? Many thanks in advance!!

Only had an hour yesterday to sample the whole set - and I mostly cherry-picked the whole thing. Agree the sound on the bonus tracks isn't up to snuff, but musically they're cool as hell, and I for one am really glad they included them. The version of "Spanish Key" from disk two is one of the coolest things ever. "Footprints" was an eye-opener too. Hope to spin the entire set this afternoon, while my wife is going to the movies with a friend. (She was nice and tolerated the hour yesterday, but I wouldn't dare put here through the entire 4-hour experience).

Years ago my wife worked with someone named Candace Kane -- and seriously, she went by... Candy Kane

Just got mine today too (UK).

Stand on your head, problem solved!

I don't have my copy of Vol. 3 yet (coming yet from Amazon UK), but when the tracklistings became known, I tracked down all of the bonus cuts on-line (most all were to be found on Youtube, of all things). I can't comment about the sound-quality issues (specifically with the bonus material), but musically speaking -- all three(?) of the bonus tracks sounded fantastic to my ears -- and seemed like very exciting additions to the set.

Listened to most of POD last night - the first four tracks anyway - and I realized it had been ages since I'd spun it (since it was only single-disc Hill I owned early on for a good 8-10 years, I guess I've gravitated more towards the others in recent years). Dolphy didn't dominate last night quite as strongly as I remembered (and it helped that I'd recently been spinning Out To Lunch from the new, expanded SHM-CD edition), but Dolphy's still a huge presence on the date. I'd forgotten what an interesting approach KD brought, and he fits in beautifully (much as part of me might have preferred Woody Shaw). I couldn't help but wonder what Wayne Shorter might have brought to the date (instead of Joe Henderson). The overall feeling of the date seems like something Shorter would have fit into nicely, but maybe Hill's and Shorter's sensibilities aren't as compatible as I'm imagining.

I'd be curious too. I've never sampled them, but was tempted at one time (for my obvious Hill interests).

Are they going to archive the master-tape(s) for The Trainwreck? Half serious (well, at least one quarter).

Spun this again this morning, for the first time in quite a while - and it hit me like a Tom of lead. Damn, what a crazy but great album!! Anyone else here dig this?

Just stumbled on this thread for the first time. And by coincidence, I just picked up the first two Soul Searchers albums on CD a few weeks ago - Chuck Brown's band before they stepped out under his name (as, I believe Chuck Brown and the Soul Searchers). Lotta jazz stuff going on behind the r&b vocals; good stuff!

Yes, but her "little doll hands" Welk Show bit used to creep me out big time. Overdone, and I couldn't believe they used the Well sketch as the cold-open once even.

Lord, was that really over 10 years ago that I posted that??

Never meant to suggest Dolphy's dominance was in any way a bad thing - but it certainly is a thing that ought to be acknowledged when discussing POD. FWIW, my ears think POD sounds even more like a "Dolphy date", than "Dialogue" sounds like an Andrew Hill date (which it does).

This thread reminds me to see if I have the US RVG CD issue of POD (which I'm sure I probably have), to read the supplemental essay that appears there in the liners (which I haven't read in years). POD is the Hill date I've had the longest - so I probably take it a little for granted (even as great as it is). But a few random thoughts... If I'm recalling correctly, POD is the only Hill date (from the big Mosaic, 63-66) with three horns on the front line. And, yet, the date doesn't function anything like a date with a big horn-driven front-line (like the Messengers dates, for instance, with trombone). Strangely enough, POD is also one of the only dates I can think of with Joe Henderson (another guy I also obsessively collect, every bit as much as Hill) -- that I really DON'T associate with Joe Henderson very much at all. My brain scarcely remembers that Joe is even on POD, unless I'm actually playing it (though I certainly associate Joe's other dates with Andrew quite strongly - both Black Fire and the date that was later released as Pax). The one thing about POD that almost supersedes all else is DOLPHY.

I'm sure I'm overlooking a few other dates I have that he's on, but in MY mind - Hardman is "the trumpeter that's on those two live Jazz Messengers dates with Billy Harper from 1968!" -- which are both amazing documents (and probably my favorite Blakey leader-dates, though almost entirely for Harper's inclusion in that band). Shame they never recorded in the studio, or didn't last long. (But at least there's more documented - 2 albums' worth - than the version of the Messengers with Tyrone Washington and Woody Shaw on the front line, which was never recorded at all, afaik.) What other Hardman from the 1965-75 timespan is notable? Maybe not a lot of records (released dates) during that particular timeframe, but I know he turns up on video here and there, for example... www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPrK1HGX_cs