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Only had an hour yesterday to sample the whole set - and I mostly cherry-picked the whole thing. Agree the sound on the bonus tracks isn't up to snuff, but musically they're cool as hell, and I for one am really glad they included them. The version of "Spanish Key" from disk two is one of the coolest things ever. "Footprints" was an eye-opener too. Hope to spin the entire set this afternoon, while my wife is going to the movies with a friend. (She was nice and tolerated the hour yesterday, but I wouldn't dare put here through the entire 4-hour experience).

Years ago my wife worked with someone named Candace Kane -- and seriously, she went by... Candy Kane

Just got mine today too (UK).

Stand on your head, problem solved!

I don't have my copy of Vol. 3 yet (coming yet from Amazon UK), but when the tracklistings became known, I tracked down all of the bonus cuts on-line (most all were to be found on Youtube, of all things). I can't comment about the sound-quality issues (specifically with the bonus material), but musically speaking -- all three(?) of the bonus tracks sounded fantastic to my ears -- and seemed like very exciting additions to the set.

Listened to most of POD last night - the first four tracks anyway - and I realized it had been ages since I'd spun it (since it was only single-disc Hill I owned early on for a good 8-10 years, I guess I've gravitated more towards the others in recent years). Dolphy didn't dominate last night quite as strongly as I remembered (and it helped that I'd recently been spinning Out To Lunch from the new, expanded SHM-CD edition), but Dolphy's still a huge presence on the date. I'd forgotten what an interesting approach KD brought, and he fits in beautifully (much as part of me might have preferred Woody Shaw). I couldn't help but wonder what Wayne Shorter might have brought to the date (instead of Joe Henderson). The overall feeling of the date seems like something Shorter would have fit into nicely, but maybe Hill's and Shorter's sensibilities aren't as compatible as I'm imagining.

I'd be curious too. I've never sampled them, but was tempted at one time (for my obvious Hill interests).

Are they going to archive the master-tape(s) for The Trainwreck? Half serious (well, at least one quarter).

Spun this again this morning, for the first time in quite a while - and it hit me like a Tom of lead. Damn, what a crazy but great album!! Anyone else here dig this?

Just stumbled on this thread for the first time. And by coincidence, I just picked up the first two Soul Searchers albums on CD a few weeks ago - Chuck Brown's band before they stepped out under his name (as, I believe Chuck Brown and the Soul Searchers). Lotta jazz stuff going on behind the r&b vocals; good stuff!

Yes, but her "little doll hands" Welk Show bit used to creep me out big time. Overdone, and I couldn't believe they used the Well sketch as the cold-open once even.

Lord, was that really over 10 years ago that I posted that??

Never meant to suggest Dolphy's dominance was in any way a bad thing - but it certainly is a thing that ought to be acknowledged when discussing POD. FWIW, my ears think POD sounds even more like a "Dolphy date", than "Dialogue" sounds like an Andrew Hill date (which it does).

This thread reminds me to see if I have the US RVG CD issue of POD (which I'm sure I probably have), to read the supplemental essay that appears there in the liners (which I haven't read in years). POD is the Hill date I've had the longest - so I probably take it a little for granted (even as great as it is). But a few random thoughts... If I'm recalling correctly, POD is the only Hill date (from the big Mosaic, 63-66) with three horns on the front line. And, yet, the date doesn't function anything like a date with a big horn-driven front-line (like the Messengers dates, for instance, with trombone). Strangely enough, POD is also one of the only dates I can think of with Joe Henderson (another guy I also obsessively collect, every bit as much as Hill) -- that I really DON'T associate with Joe Henderson very much at all. My brain scarcely remembers that Joe is even on POD, unless I'm actually playing it (though I certainly associate Joe's other dates with Andrew quite strongly - both Black Fire and the date that was later released as Pax). The one thing about POD that almost supersedes all else is DOLPHY.

I'm sure I'm overlooking a few other dates I have that he's on, but in MY mind - Hardman is "the trumpeter that's on those two live Jazz Messengers dates with Billy Harper from 1968!" -- which are both amazing documents (and probably my favorite Blakey leader-dates, though almost entirely for Harper's inclusion in that band). Shame they never recorded in the studio, or didn't last long. (But at least there's more documented - 2 albums' worth - than the version of the Messengers with Tyrone Washington and Woody Shaw on the front line, which was never recorded at all, afaik.) What other Hardman from the 1965-75 timespan is notable? Maybe not a lot of records (released dates) during that particular timeframe, but I know he turns up on video here and there, for example... www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPrK1HGX_cs

Funny, while POD certainly is a spectacular date -- I must say that in the corner of my brain that it occupies, I often associate it as being as much an Eric Dolphy sort of date (for me, Dolphy dominates the proceedings), as Hill's. Early, early on in the first half-decade of my first jazz listening (mid 90's), I even filed it under "Dolphy" in my collection. While I love POD, I think it's elevation (in most camps) as being almost THE definitive Andrew Hill date seems a little off to me. I'd be more likely to nominate "Black Fire" for that. When I'm loaning out Hill CD's to someone, I usually give folks "Black Fire" and "Passing Ships" to start with -- as (what I feel) are the two best examples of his early and later (60's) BN periods. POD does have numerous AMAZING performances -- but so does Black Fire, with the added benefit of (what I think) are stronger tunes (compositions). I heard Andrew's quartet at the Iowa City Jazz Festival in 2003 - one of the most memorable live dates I've yet been to! (Along with Sun Ra, Sam Rivers, and Grachan Moncur)

Got it yesterday, thanks!!

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but over the years I've found I prefer almost anything Pete Townsend's done solo (and especially Pete's Who demos) -- over The Who proper. It's NOT even that I dislike Daltrey a whole lot (I've always found him to be charming and interesting in interviews, for instance) -- but for whatever reason, I just WAY more drawn to Townsend's voice than Roger's. As a result, my solo Townsend collection is about twice that of what I have by The Who.

Thanks everybody!!

I think the only really overrated BN title that's coming to mind is Blue Train. Certainly not a bad date, but I always find it under-rehearsed, and not as good as its lofty street-credit usually implies. A good date that was nearly "really good" (or it certainly aspired to be) -- but I seem to remember often seeing it on "top-20" lists, and I usually think, really?

And the title-track from "In Pursuit of the 27th Man" (9:44), is anything but typical Horace Silver.

"The Jody Grind" is top drawer in my book.

This data only bolsters my wife's notion that my interest (and really, my spending habits) are completely off the chart (despite my protestations otherwise). But let's not forget, this is all talking about people who actually PAY for music -- what is unfortunately becoming an antiquated notion.

Always wanted to have one with Zappa's "The Black Page" -- one of the versions with the actual tune (not just percussion).

Speaking of which, what are he odds of getting an expanded Unity with the other alternates? Can somebody remind me of what circulates? - I've never heard the complete session myself (but have been tempted to try and track it down).