Guy Berger

Finally got around to listening to this. Worth hearing though not life changing.

This is great. Glad I picked it up.

And I got around to the last recordings in the box, the Carter/Bradford duos. Really great. Much more abstract and “cool” than the earlier work.

The recording Electric & Acoustic Hard Cell Live w/Berne, Taborn and Rainey is excellent. Not quite as great as the Science Friction recordings (that trio plus Marc Ducret) but very worthy if you like those.

I think the long term impacts (in terms of side effects) are well understood - these have been used as diabetes drugs for some time. as far as people regaining the weight - yeah, I think that’s part of the calculus, you’re 100% right. And it means that for people who don’t need these drugs to be healthy, it’s worth avoiding them as an unnecessary lifetime treatment.

Great ending to the best Star Wars production since Empire Strikes Back. Am a little sad that it’s over.

Complicated but I think this is far too negative. I think the fact that many people struggle to achieve significant weight loss on their own and that obesity has very serious morbidity impact means that these drugs are medical miracles.

I think the 1st albums by Tangerine Dream (Electronic Meditation) and Ash Ra Tempel might be of interest. Not really jazz but improvisation within the context of post Hendrix/Cream guitar power trios.

Has anyone mentioned the Italian band Area? Some of their recordings featured Steve Lacy and Paul Lytton, eg https://youtu.be/nm4RBZeqwa8?si=I4E9vZqeyzgpUdHj

episodes 7-9 of Season 2 😵

This band was Japanese but might be of interest to folks in this thread

Great thread.

Anybody else watching season 2 of Andor? I ended up staying up too late watching episodes 4-6 when they dropped on Tuesday 🤣

MrJazzman, you should check out his classic work with Miles Davis during 1970-71.

Sunnyside is releasing a 2nd album by Ehrlich’s Trio Exaltation (John Hebert and Nasheet Waits). The first album by the trio was on Clean Feed and I thought it was excellent.

Same here

But I think there’s something fundamentally different between the music Paul Bley was recording in 1967, and (some of) the music that ECM is releasing in 2025, despite their stylistic similarities. Trout mask vs trout mask replica Back to the original topic. I’ve been working my way backwards through the Louis Sclavis‘s ECMs and quite a few of them are top notch - my favorite is Silk and Salt Melodies. Mellow but not motionless.

Worth mentioning that album was not recorded for ECM - it was recorded in 1967, ECM just released it a few years later. There’s a great quote I have trouble sourcing but definitely remember reading, from Branford Marsalis - Led Zeppelin sounded they way they did because they were really into classic American blues (and British folk music). If you try to imitate them without that same background, you’ll end up sounding like Whitesnake. Seems applicable here when talking about younger musicians replicating the “ECM sound”.

Good for him.

I assume a lot of it is just that a career as a professional musician is not a great way to support a family or a comfortable lifestyle. Economic opportunities outside of music are generally better than they were in the 1950s and 1960s. So a lot of creators withdraw from the scene.

Counterpoint: Joe Lovano is good

I think Ghost is talking about the 1972 band that is represented on In Concert (and a few bootlegs including the Paul Mall one), not the fall 1971 iteration of the Cellar Door band. Imho the 1972 recordings are fascinating but IIRC the sound quality isn’t great. if sound quality is a constraint then the top pick would have to be the 1975 Japan tour. I think you could get a fair amount of mileage out of the 1973 Japan and Europe concerts too. It’s been a while since I listened to the North American shows from this period - do any of them have good sound quality?

This one is great, as is Another Place on Label Bleu.

Thanks for sharing!

Gave this a few listens. Enjoyable if you liked the prior two. No strong opinion beyond that.