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I can see why it would appear that I'm pro Elway because of living in Indianapolis; however, that's not really the case. I actually lived in the greater Baltimore area when the whole Elway thing went down. Can't say that I blame him for not wanting to play for Bob Irsay; however, I did think he came across as a punk in the press. Looking at it objectively, I ultimately feel ( and felt this way even when living in Baltimore) that Elway did nothing wrong by using his potential baseball career as leverage; the negative press didn't hurt him, and he went on to command a decent amount of respect in the league. So it's not an "I'm so glad Elway stiffed the Colts because now Indy has a football team" scenario at all. (Although life sure has a way of straightening itself out; I moved to Indy not long after the Colts moved. ) Interestingly, Ernie Accorsi, the GM of the Giants who brokered the Manning deal was the GM of the Colts during the Elway drama. He wanted to call Elway's bluff, having the inside scoop from baseball insiders that Elway wasn't really good enough to go far in baseball. However, Bob Irsay and Michael Chernoff did the deal behind Accorsi's back. I can understand his need to make the Manning deal. "Sticking it to the Chargers"? ( ) You can't really feel sorry for the them; they certainly parlayed this scenario to their advantage too. They'll probably have a seriously high first round pick next year. It's business, folks.

Yeah, but Aggie you stated that he seems above the rules. Again... what rules? If you have the talent and are a hot commodity, then you will go where the market will have you. Same thing with getting those million dollar contracts. If nobody wanted him, then he wouldn't have a choice, would he? (or get the money)... You don't think there is wheeling and dealing every draft day? You just don't hear about much of it. And down the road when his contract is due to expire, if it comes down to restructuring a contract to free up cap or whatever, I can guarantee you that someone like Eli Manning will do whatever he can for the team. If those blue collar men were the number 1 pick, you don't think they would be using that to get where they wanted to be? That's just good business. And the NFL isn't some holy grail---it's business. Now if you want to talk about a spoiled brat, I would give you Terrell Owens.

Yeah... now there's pressure. Eli Manning was on David Letterman last night (as was Diana Krall with Christian McBride on bass...) He has such a high degree of respect for others that I think be will ultimately do fine on the personality/handling pressure level. He comes from good stock. David Letterman said that he will continue to be a Colts fan; however if the Giants "get really good" then he will become a Giants fan. I'm definitely more of a Giants fan now; it will be fun to see how he does.

What rules? Is there a rule which states that if you are drafted you have to play football at all? So the Charger fans aren't going to like Manning? BFD. The only fans who resented John Elway were from Baltimore... and to what end? His reputation in the NFL certainly hasn't suffered over the years. Both men turned the situation into something better for them, entirely by the rules. Nothing wrong w/that. I agree that he's going to have a hard couple of years initially both living up to expectations and having to deal with their offensive line, but as far as fan resentment, I think the fan base in NY will more than compensate for whatever grief he gets from SD.

That actually sounds like it kinda hurts. (I hear a collective cringe from the females in the house)

Huh? I would think that if one doesn't want to go where they're drafted then the last place they would want to join is the military... The thing is, it isn't the military; he doesn't have to play anywhere. I guess the Chargers realized that he might be serious about law school --yeah he's pretty smart, too. If you've got the talent, why not parlay that and go where the market will have you?

That is so true. One could write a book....

That just about says it all... Congratulations Jim and Alison! EDIT: Beautiful name for a beautiful girl! More pictures!!

for that one, and I'll add The Clash "Rock the Casbah".

If you wanna ride..... don't ride the white horse. Now that was when my hair was BIG...

I haven't picked this one up yet but it's on my list. I'm anxious to get it. I agree that seeing them live really intensifies your expectations. They are just that great.

ahem... I still have mine. Got it when I was about 10. Still works. I use it as my "second alarm that wakes me up from snoozing after my first alarm goes off". Nice thing about it is that it doesn't skip a beat when I have power surges whereas my digital one just blinks. My third alarm is a really cool travel alarm from The Sharper Image. Three alarms? Don't even ask.

Tied with-- Kajagoogoo: Too Shy .. You sir, are a brave woman! I kind of like the song as well, but never would admit that to anyone's face! "Hey, you know a song I liked back in the day, Kajagoogoo's Too Shy, Shy" Nope, never would do that. Yeah... it's a good thing I admitted to liking it only on the internet.

Tied with-- Kajagoogoo: Too Shy Haircut 100: Favourite Shirts (Boy Meets Girl) Robert Palmer: I Didn't Mean To Turn You On

Good question. Why did I read all 35 pages of this thread? (and why will I check back in an hour to read more?)

OK.... I feel like boycotting the rest of the show. Un-believable.

Taurean: born under the sign of Taurus. April 21 - May 21. Generally speaking we like things of nature and being outdoors.

Another Hoosier reporting in.... Happy Birthday Mark! We'll have a birthday libation at the Jazz Festival.

I love that story, Joe (being a fellow Taurean..) You paint a very nice word picture.

Tornado warning.... So begins the season.

I am still laughing; my sides still hurt. I caught it at the last minute and didn't even think to turn on the VCR. He really covered just about everything, very poignantly at times. He did a number on my emotional responses when dealing with the James Byrd tragedy.

well, that either I'm really a guy or I let my breasts speak for themselves? (wait, I didn't just say that ...)

Oh yeah, *that's* why I do it....

I haven't moved my couch in, uh, many years (except for routine vacuuming; I'm not a typical female, but I'm not a slob, although enjoying shopping certainly does not necessarily make one "typical".) Whew... I got through that hopefully PC statement without ONE asterisk. Poor Moose. Here he is pleading for mercy while at the Nordstrom's semi-annual shoe sale....(Well, I will admit to going to that, but notice that it's only twice a year.)

I'm a *girl* who hates shopping.... I will light a candle for you.