clifford_thornton

Wow, RIP. Seems rather young too but he accomplished a ton in his time on earth.

b/w hello Jazzmoose!

that is AWESOME.

yeah, it's pretty hard to deny the quality of that work (and I do prefer the more arch sonic explorations of P.S.). It's not teenybopper pap... or at least not all of it.

Beach Boys Love You is a good record. Pet Sounds, Smile, All Summer Long -- wonderful music.

You can learn a lot about art forms by exploring the margins, though.

Totally. I've become far less doctrinaire in my listening as I've aged, and I think part of that is due to this message board... which I hope would find a lot of commonality with Mats' varied collection (I'm told by a shopowner who knows him that it is close to 15,000 pieces) if not his own playing.

Little Richard is AWESOME.

wow. RIP.

Exactly.

Yeah, random recent acquisition I wasn't expecting to find... it's really something to have on LP (I'd heard a CD version years and years ago).

Charles Mingus - The Complete Birdland Sessions - (BAT, IT, record 2 of 4)

Wow! Looking forward to this material. I have the Air LP (classic) and the rest looks spectacular.

^ yeah, that's a GREAT one.

off-topic but an interesting question, as it's true you don't see much in terms of vault material from that era. Which is weird because he led some great bands and had a serious book.

Having listened to Mats live and on record since the late 1990s, I'm positive he can.

sweet. Can't wait. And it is a legit CD, seems like, if it is being released by the Dutch Jazz Archive.

yeah, Mats can do whatever he wants in my opinion. Not all of it do I like but I do respect it & him. I don't think that a Hegelian progressivism towards free music is necessarily realistic, because many of the progenitors of "free jazz" came up in parallel to a lot of post-bop musicians. For example, Bill Dixon was only eight years Dizzy's junior and was five years older than Ornette. I think it is indeed a different branch of the same tree but the latter certainly includes Bostic and Jeep, and I know that Mats internalizes everything he hears whether or not it's beyond obvious from phrase arc to phrase arc.

Borbetomagus - Snuff Jazz - (Agaric, US)

yeah, have you listened to much of his music? Of course he can carry a tune. But the point of his music is not whether he can or can't play melody in the traditional sense. I mean, you don't have to like it to agree that it's music and that he's setting out to do what he wants to do.

yes. I've heard him do beautiful renditions of Lars Gullin compositions on baritone. But honestly, this music is well past the idea that one has to be able to copy the historical standard bearers of capital J-Jazz note for note in order to ensure the validity of their work. If Albert Ayler had been content to be Cleveland's "Little Bird" do you think he would've rewritten the rules of making music? If Bill Dixon had been all right with copying Diz licks, would he have helped to organize the Jazz Composers' Guild and shepherded new directions in improvisation and dance? I don't get bummed out listening to later Spontaneous Music Ensemble CDs thinking "well, yeah, but why didn't John Stevens just stick to that tinka-ting like Phil Seamen?" Sure he could DO the thing but I'd rather hear him be John Stevens.

figure only Johnny Hodges plays Johnny Hodges.

I've been meaning to check out Heron Oblivion. Meg was in Espers back in the day, which was a pretty cool and interesting band at the time.

I'd be fine with Cees See as well; he's an excellent drummer and was later in Manfred Schoof's New Jazz Trio with the late bassist Peter Trunk. Bennink played a number of these kinds of gigs and came by hardbop quite honestly. There's video of him with Johnny Griffin and recordings with him backing people like Dexter Gordon, Sonny Rollins and Don Byas. The Rollins gig from Arnhem (1967) is phenomenal.