BFrank

Good discussion, guys. I agree with pretty much everything you said, down to the 'lyrics don't matter' issue. I would focus more on the evolution of music from 1960-70, though - earth-shattering. That was a phenomenal period for music. There's been nothing like it, really, since then. The early-mid 70s was more an extension and refinement of that. Don't forget to include FZ and Van Vliet in that mix, too.

No one has mentioned all those early Flora albums with Airto, Joe Hen, George Duke, etc.

Are those Capitol Vault sets really the Mosaic Selects? Did Mosaic re-license them back to Capitol?

I don't know what's available, but Opa was pretty good back in the 70's. They were Airto's backup band for a number of years.

OK - makes sense. I would have gone with the liner notes, too. So, it looks like "Love on the Sudan" is a set of earlier versions of these tunes.

What's wrong with him? Just age or something else? I have tickets to see him this Fall at SFJazz 'revisiting' Coltrane/Hartman with Chris Potter and Jose James (vocals).

Like I said, I can't get to my albums now, but Billy's site indicates that album has the same lineup (no date shown). They have Fred on "In Europe," though.

"The Awakening" (album) has that lineup. Maybe "Love on he Sudan" is from the same session. I have all those albums on LP with the liner notes, but they're boxed up and I can't easily get to them.

What IS "Love on the Sudan", actually? All 3 of those tunes are on other albums. Are these different versions? Priestess, "In Europe" The Awakening, "The Awakening" Love on the Sudan, "Trying To Make Heaven My Home"

As long as you definition of "real" includes CD-Rs and photocopied artwork... that's what my copy of "The Believer" from the Billy Harper fan club "label" was. Don't get me wrong, as long as Billy OKs it and makes some $$ off of it I'm good. But I do worry about the longevity of unknown CD-Rs. Later, Kevin I got one of those from the club, too - interesting.

I was going to say, if you are OK with MP3's, eMusic has both of those albums. But it seems you got CDs already.

Well.........I did see Tinariwen tonight! Very entertaining. Hard to pin down exactly what their music is, but to see them do it while playing Telecasters is something to see.

Would like to see Tinariwen on Thursday, but probably won't be able to make it.

FYI, there seem to be a number of Black Saint/Soul Note albums on Amazon selling for multiples of $.89/track if you are looking for some of this stuff cheap.

That's crazy cheap! I just picked up The Seagulls Of Kristiansund, The Git Go-live At The Village Vanguard, and Crowd Scene. On the other hand, I feel like I'm "stealing" ...

That period was such an amazing 'changing of cultures'. A friend just posted a clip from Hollywood Palace hosted by Jimmy Durante, who is introducing the Grass Roots. Not that the GR were such an outrageous band, but juxtaposed with an aging Durante it exaggerates the culture shock of the time. The pop culture of the 50s was quickly getting pushed to the sidelines. Here's that clip, BTW:

You could contact his son and see if he can verify. Clifford Brown, Jr.

Really? You guys don't know Paul Butterfield? I guess I'm just old ...

Those 3 guys got to split $500 - some nice change in those days, I'm sure.

Whoa. THAT was intense.

... and the 2 extended tunes are great. Cowell's "Effi" and Merritt's "Nommo" which is a highlight of Lee Morgan's "Lighthouse" tour de force.

YOIKS!!

"... please do not come along and shout out for PT songs!"

I'm no expert on classical music, but this is a nice album.

Is that Curtis Amy? He's the one who recorded the original solo.