Which Mosaic Are You Enjoying Right Now?

[Ron S]

Woody Shaw: The Complete Muse Sessions, Discs 3 and 4

Edited December 1, 2017 by Ron S

[BFrank]

Clifford Jordan: "Glass Bead Games" disk

[miles65]

James P. Johnson yesterday discs I & II now disc III. 

 

[Berthold]

Artie Shaw The Bluebird & Victor Sessions 6

[gmonahan]

Disc II:

 

[kinuta]

Disc 1   In The World

[Gheorghe]

On ‎14‎.‎12‎.‎2017 at 9:15 AM, kinuta said:

Disc 1   In The World

me to, got it yesterday and have listend to "in the World" and the Cecil Payne date.

It´s interesting to hear a quite straight ahead thing with two basses and two drummers, they all are topnotch musicians. A surprise for me was the Kenny Dorham . I didn´t even know he still played that late in his life. Always thought the "Trompeta Toccatta" was his last recording. And he still sounds very good. Same with Wynton Kelly. Never heard anything that late in his career, he had more profile during the early 60s, with Miles and then with various BN artists and then with Wes Montgomery......

The piano sounds a bit tinny, maybe it was an upright. At least on one of the photos you see an upright.

The Cecil Payne disc is also very good. I liked most the last track "Flying Fish", I heard that live, Cecil Payne with Ron Carter, and a young unknown tenorist and I don´t remember the rest, but it was towards the end of Cecils life.

It´s strange to hear straight ahead material that late in the 60´s.

I´m lookin forward now to listen today to the more free material, once I have heard the Brackeen Don Cherry stuff, cant wait hear the Ed Blackwell and the Pharoah Sanders and the rest of it.......

[Bluesnik]

... and enjoying it a lot.

[kinuta]

12 hours ago, Gheorghe said:

me to, got it yesterday and have listend to "in the World" and the Cecil Payne date.

It´s interesting to hear a quite straight ahead thing with two basses and two drummers, they all are topnotch musicians. A surprise for me was the Kenny Dorham . I didn´t even know he still played that late in his life. Always thought the "Trompeta Toccatta" was his last recording. And he still sounds very good. Same with Wynton Kelly. Never heard anything that late in his career, he had more profile during the early 60s, with Miles and then with various BN artists and then with Wes Montgomery......

The piano sounds a bit tinny, maybe it was an upright. At least on one of the photos you see an upright.

The Cecil Payne disc is also very good. I liked most the last track "Flying Fish", I heard that live, Cecil Payne with Ron Carter, and a young unknown tenorist and I don´t remember the rest, but it was towards the end of Cecils life.

It´s strange to hear straight ahead material that late in the 60´s.

I´m lookin forward now to listen today to the more free material, once I have heard the Brackeen Don Cherry stuff, cant wait hear the Ed Blackwell and the Pharoah Sanders and the rest of it.......

The piano sounded out of tune to me, but what do I know.

Listened to discs 1,2,3,4.

I already had Zodiac but the Mosaic sounded better.

Couldn't see the point in the marathon drumming sessions on the latter part of disc 3. 

The Pharoah Sanders was ok but not really my thing.

I already had Glass Bead Games, meaning I just have Super Bass to listen too.

All in all, good but far from an essential Mosaic in my humble opinion.

[Gheorghe]

Thank you kinuta for your really interesting answer.

Yeah, "out of tune" , the piano sounds like that, not as much as the out of tune piano on Monk´s early Prestige session, but nevertheless.

I´m lookin forward listening to the Glass Bead Games too. Somehow the period late 60´s early 70´s is not very much represented in my disco. I have a lot of Cliff Jordan with the Magic Triangle from 1975.

Will be interesting comparing the Pharoah Sanders with the other better known stuff "Karma" and other Impulse records.

[kinuta]

 

2 hours ago, Gheorghe said:

Thank you kinuta for your really interesting answer.

Yeah, "out of tune" , the piano sounds like that, not as much as the out of tune piano on Monk´s early Prestige session, but nevertheless.

I´m lookin forward listening to the Glass Bead Games too. Somehow the period late 60´s early 70´s is not very much represented in my disco. I have a lot of Cliff Jordan with the Magic Triangle from 1975.

Will be interesting comparing the Pharoah Sanders with the other better known stuff "Karma" and other Impulse records.

I have a lot of Cliff Jordan with the Magic Triangle from 1975.

The Highest Mountain is a great session

 

 

[kh1958]

Classic James P. Johnson Sessions, disc 3.

[mikeweil]

[sidewinder]

Most of this set. Very happy with the sonics and some excellent Sonny Criss and Sweets. Perfect music with a gale blowing outside !

 

[Gheorghe]

Right now , from the Clifford Jordon Strata East I´ve listened to Disc III. The Charles Brackeen-Don Cherry-Charlie Haden-Ed Blackwell "Rhythm X" , I had it on tape when I was a youngster and wanted to hear it again. So it was not a real surprise for me because it´s exactly how I remembered it: Like Don Cherry´s Complete Communion it´s an easy way for starters to get into free jazz. In my case I wanted to dig 60´s avantgarde and a guy gave me those two together with the easier Ornette Coleman (Golden Circle) to get into it, since it still has lines of straight ahead walking bass, approachable for Free-Jazz Newbies.

It´s a wonderful work, very Ornette Coleman influenced, Charlie Haden is also really great but when he picks up the bow and start´s bowing it´s a bit funny how it sounds, like bees flyin around. David Izenzon was better for bowing avantgarde, and Henry Grimes above all......., but that´s part of the game, those sections where he starts to bow with a funny sound....

And the Ed Blackwell led stuff is also great, 2 tunes with regular quartet with Don Cherry and a guy named Lucman Lateef who sounds interesting,

And as a drums lover I really enjoyed the selections with drummers and percussion only. I´ve always loved drums and drummers.....

[soulpope]

2 hours ago, Gheorghe said:

It´s a wonderful work, very Ornette Coleman influenced, Charlie Haden is also really great but when he picks up the bow and start´s bowing it´s a bit funny how it sounds, like bees flyin around. David Izenzon was better for bowing avantgarde, and Henry Grimes above all......., but that´s part of the game, those sections where he starts to bow with a funny sound....

For me - having been socialised with classical music - it was occasionally quite tough to get along with the bowed bass in jazz ....

[Gheorghe]

3 hours ago, soulpope said:

For me - having been socialised with classical music - it was occasionally quite tough to get along with the bowed bass in jazz ....

Well me not really.  I really got into bass bowing as a listening experience by listening to the first jazz lp I ever had, Miles with Paul Chambers on bass. I taught myself to play bass when I was at high school and even could work some gigs. No one less than a really good austrian bass player told me I should go onm  but I always felt my instrument is the piano and after 37-40 years I think there´s not much left even if I might still know how to finger it.  I still have the bass fiddle at home, much to the annoyment of my wife "grin"

I don´t feel hurt if it sounds "ugly" for classical trained musicians or listeners, and he can get far out also if he likes, but those bowed octaves alternating with plugged bass sounded a bit funny to me. But maybe a few more listening. Well Charlie Haden knew the music very well and is hand in glowe with Ornette and Cherry and them all, but when he starts solo, it sometimes sounds funny to me, very very diatonic, like childs songs. I feel more comfortable if Henry Grimes plays a solo, it´s more jazzy......

[soulpope]

3 hours ago, Gheorghe said:

Well me not really.  I really got into bass bowing as a listening experience by listening to the first jazz lp I ever had, Miles with Paul Chambers on bass. I taught myself to play bass when I was at high school and even could work some gigs. No one less than a really good austrian bass player told me I should go onm  but I always felt my instrument is the piano and after 37-40 years I think there´s not much left even if I might still know how to finger it.  I still have the bass fiddle at home, much to the annoyment of my wife "grin"

I don´t feel hurt if it sounds "ugly" for classical trained musicians or listeners, and he can get far out also if he likes, but those bowed octaves alternating with plugged bass sounded a bit funny to me. But maybe a few more listening. Well Charlie Haden knew the music very well and is hand in glowe with Ornette and Cherry and them all, but when he starts solo, it sometimes sounds funny to me, very very diatonic, like childs songs. I feel more comfortable if Henry Grimes plays a solo, it´s more jazzy......

No objection from my side .... actually my problems occur with the tonal bass bowing in Jazz .... mea culpa  ....

[jeffcrom]

Ellington Small Group Sessions, disc 7. As I listened, I flashed on a memory: when I was in college, I bought a stack of worn blues 78s at junk shop in Bogart, Georgia - all obviously from the same source, presumably the well-loved collection of a local resident. Among the B.B. King and Lightnin' Hopkins discs was Vocalion 5533 - "Skunk Hollow Blues" and "Tired Socks" by Johnny Hodges.

Edited January 6, 2018 by jeffcrom

[paul secor]

2 hours ago, jeffcrom said:

Ellington Small Group Sessions, disc 7. As I listened, I flashed on a memory: when I was in college, I bought a stack of worn blues 78s at junk shop in Bogart, Georgia - all obviously from the same source, presumably the well-loved collection of a local resident. Among the B.B. King and Lightnin' Hopkins discs was Vocalion 5533 - "Skunk Hollow Blues" and "Tired Socks" by Johnny Hodges.

Cool reminiscence, Jeff.

[T.D.]

The Glass Bead Games, In the World and Cecil Payne sessions.

[Tom 1960]

On ‎1‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 3:36 AM, mikeweil said:

I've thought about purchasing this from time to time but never pulled the trigger. I never understood that since I especially enjoy large group ensembles. Could you please provide a few thoughts on this set?

[jlhoots]

Farmer / Golson

[BFrank]

Clifford Jordan - disk 5, the Wilbur Ware session.

[Gheorghe]

On ‎09‎.‎01‎.‎2018 at 8:11 PM, BFrank said:

Clifford Jordan - disk 5, the Wilbur Ware session.

have listened to it yesterday. The best track is the Red Cross, Clifford Jordan is fantastic on it.

But I must admit it´s not very very well recorded. The bass is too loud. Okay the bass is the leader and want´s to show he´s the leader, but IMHO it´s overrecorded, louder than the other instruments. But I´m not an audiophile, it´s only because after 40 years of music  my hearing isn´t that good any more and anyway I have difficulties hearing high frequenzes (flutes and the upper register of other instruments), so a very loud bass is an additional difficulty.

But Wilbur Ware has great lines parallel to the lead voices, I first noticed that on a very early record I think on "Dial S for Sonny". I like him most as a sideman. As a soloist maybe he does not appeal me as much as let´s say Mingus, who always seems to tell a story on his bass........

But it´s interesting how those Strata East focus on very interesting musicians like Don Cherry and Ed Blackwell together with some from the older generation. And a lot of pianoless combos, Ornette-like.