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GA Russell Veteran

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I would like to know what right an estate has to influence a project. The contract signed by the artist should spell out the terms of how the estate gets paid, and it's not clear to me why any estate would have a right of approval over anything recorded and owned by a record company.

Maybe Chuck can enlighten me.

Soul Stream Newbie

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Seems to me they have to keep a good relationship with the estate for future projects. If this were a "one-off," this would have been put out already with the lawsuits and pay-offs coming afterwards. However, Wilbur's making those guys do the dance, which is a drag.

I think Columbia would be better off just to put it out and show Wilbur they aren't going to placate him to this degree. Sometimes you have to hit a bad dog with a wet newspaper.

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Seems to me they have to keep a good relationship with the estate for future projects.
Why?

No shit. Why? It's like Wilburn is holding this material hostage. (And before Chuck chimes in, no - it's not like we (the public) has any right to hear this material.) But if everything is legal, and the record company has a contract that fairly compensates the artist and/or his estate, then why put up with this "I want a fucking sticker that says I'm a nice guy on it" - or whatever it is that Wilburn thinks it is that he wants this week.

God, I hope this doesn't put the kibosh on an 8th Miles studio box (it is 8, right?), with the complete ON THE CORNER sessions. I hope it doesn't, but it probably will. :(

(And how is it that Columbia managed to get out sets #1-#7, from Miles and Trane through Jack Johnson?? Why wasn't Wilburn a total dick about them too??)

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md655321 Newbie

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I think we should let out Mark David Chapman and tell him Vince Wilburn is the real John Lennon.

Really though, once Vince kicks it, do you think the music can get released? I want an on the corner box set! :angry:

And again, this music is out there, so if this never gets released, you will definitely be able to still hear pristine versions of it. Its the stuff sitll in the vault that im worried about.

Soul Stream Newbie

Soul Stream

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Seems to me they have to keep a good relationship with the estate for future projects. 

Why?

Well, Cuscuna and Beldon are nice dudes, but not that nice. With all the dough piled into this project, promotion, ect...SOMETHING is going on. Miles' estate, no matter how misguided, is holding some cards that we may not know about. Otherwise, this stuff would have been out. I'm no attorney, but the estate must have control/say over something Columbia has/wants in the future. Columbia wouldn't withhold the release just because of stickers, packaging to please some dude who doesn't affect them one way or another. Like it or not, Miles' estate has SOMETHING to do with what's going on with future releases. There's no other explanation.

Eric Rising Star

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Seems to me they have to keep a good relationship with the estate for future projects. 

Why?

Well, Cuscuna and Beldon are nice dudes, but not that nice. With all the dough piled into this project, promotion, ect...SOMETHING is going on. Miles' estate, no matter how misguided, is holding some cards that we may not know about. Otherwise, this stuff would have been out. I'm no attorney, but the estate must have control/say over something Columbia has/wants in the future. Columbia wouldn't withhold the release just because of stickers, packaging to please some dude who doesn't affect them one way or another. Like it or not, Miles' estate has SOMETHING to do with what's going on with future releases. There's no other explanation.

Seems to make sense ...

Chuck Nessa Veteran

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Don't know the details but Miles left Columbia for Warners for the advance money. Miles had a habit of calling Columbia and asking for a $###,### advance on royalties and they sent bunches. At the end of the last contract Miles was into Columbia for something over 2 million. Warner's offered $XXXXXXX to sign. It was a "no brainer" for Miles and also a "no brainer" for Columbia to let him go.

Most deals for issuing new material involves the artist or estate. For example my Art Ensemble box entailed a payment to them of $xx,xxx for the unissued material.

On the other hand, with an artist like Miles and the bucks they were constantly throwing his way, the company probably has the upper hand but is reluctant to use it.

Aggie87 Community Regular

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Wonder why they sent the message today.

Word on the street is that Wilburn didn't like the wording of the email from Amazon France, and help up its original release to you, Chuck.

He demanded an edit to the email stating "This email compiled and typed (but contents not produced) by Amazon France".

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Tony Pusey Newbie

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Dont know if anybody is still listening, but Jazz Review 73 has a whole page review written by Mark Gilbert which pretty much amounts to a devastating critical panning. Oh and for what its worth, says that it will be available in January.

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