Todd1 Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Hi guys, I've just discovered this forum, and especially this topic about Zoot Sims, my all time favourite saxophone player. May I bring to your attention details about a famous Zoot live recording ? Zoot Sims with the Kenny Drew trio , Live in Copenhagen, August 24, 1978, as there are 3 different CD's from this concert, each of them showing a different track listing, and featuring songs that are not included in the two other ones (these songs are underlined) Zoot Sims Live in Copenhagen (MFSL Original master recording UDCD 694) 1 / Too close for comfort 2 / I wonder where our love has gone 3 / In a mellow tone 4 / I got it bad and that ain't good 5 / Caravan 6 / Softly as in the morning sunrise 7 / All the things you are 8 / I'll remember april 9 / Morning fun 10 / In the middle of a kiss 11 / It's all right with me Zoot Sims in Copenhagen (Storyville STCD 8244) 1 / Groovin' high 2 / Too close for comfort 3 / All the things you are 4 / In a middle of a kiss 5 / I'll remember april 6 / It's all right with me 7 / The very thought of you 8 / Blue hodge 9 / Morning fun Zoot Sims & Kenny Drew trio Live in Denmark (Century Vantage CECC00100, import frm Japan) 1 / Flower waltz 2 / Groovin' high 3 / Come rain or come shine 4 / Fred (mispelled "Fled") 5 / I wonder where our love has gone 6 / In a mellow tone 7 / I got it bad and that ain't good 8 / Caravan (This one shows a wrong date : August 4, 1978) I'll tell you later about the two different CD editions of the Art Pepper / Zoot Sims concert (different trak listing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Any opinions on East Coast Sounds (OJC)? Apologies if it's been mentioned and I missed it. Very much like this album which I bought recently. Interesting format of piano-less septet under the leadership of bassist Trigger Alpert (whatever happened to him?) and all-star front line of Al, Zoot, Tony Scott, Joe Wilder and Urbie Green. The reeds double on baritone, alto and tenor, respectively. Interesting arrangements by Dick Hyman, Marty Paich and Tony Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Englewood Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Hi guys, I've just discovered this forum, and especially this topic about Zoot Sims, my all time favourite saxophone player. May I bring to your attention details about a famous Zoot live recording ? Zoot Sims with the Kenny Drew trio , Live in Copenhagen, August 24, 1978, as there are 3 different CD's from this concert, each of them showing a different track listing, and featuring songs that are not included in the two other ones (these songs are underlined) Zoot Sims Live in Copenhagen (MFSL Original master recording UDCD 694) 1 / Too close for comfort 2 / I wonder where our love has gone 3 / In a mellow tone 4 / I got it bad and that ain't good 5 / Caravan 6 / Softly as in the morning sunrise 7 / All the things you are 8 / I'll remember april 9 / Morning fun 10 / In the middle of a kiss 11 / It's all right with me Zoot Sims in Copenhagen (Storyville STCD 8244) 1 / Groovin' high 2 / Too close for comfort 3 / All the things you are 4 / In a middle of a kiss 5 / I'll remember april 6 / It's all right with me 7 / The very thought of you 8 / Blue hodge 9 / Morning fun Zoot Sims & Kenny Drew trio Live in Denmark (Century Vantage CECC00100, import frm Japan) 1 / Flower waltz 2 / Groovin' high 3 / Come rain or come shine 4 / Fred (mispelled "Fled") 5 / I wonder where our love has gone 6 / In a mellow tone 7 / I got it bad and that ain't good 8 / Caravan (This one shows a wrong date : August 4, 1978) I'll tell you later about the two different CD editions of the Art Pepper / Zoot Sims concert (different trak listing). Gambit seems to have released a "complete" version of these recordings on this 2 disc set. This release includes all of Zoot Sims´ live recordings of 17 tracks recorded in Denmark during august 1978. These quartet performances feature the pianist´ regular trio with Danish bass phenomenon NHOP and drummers Alex Riel or Ed Thigpen. The current 2-CD set marks the first time that all of these difficult to find Danish recordings are presented on one sole edition. CD1 1. FLOWER WALTZ 2. COME RAIN OR COME SHINE 3. FRED 4. GROOVIN´HIGH 5. I WONDER WHERE OUR LOVE HAS GONE 6. IN A MELLOW TONE 7. I GOT IT BAD ( AND THAT AIN´T GOOD) 8. CARAVAN 9. ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE TOTAL TIME: 61:20 CD 2 1. TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT 2. IN THE MIDDLE OF A KISS 3. I´LL REMENBER APRIL 4. IT´S ALL RIGHT WITH ME 5. THE VERY THOUGHT OF YOU 6. BLUE HODGE 7. MORNING FUN 8. SOFTLY AS A MORNING SUNRISE TOTAL TIME: 60:44 See 12-page booklet for complete information jazzmessengers.com info. I have it, and whatever you think about the Label, it's excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Englewood Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Zoot Sims appearing in 1977 in the Peter Appleyard TV show in Toronto with Hank Jones, Slam Stewart and others! Shadow Waltz Lady Be Good Stompin' at the Savoy Those clips are excellent, cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 1960 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 (edited) FWIW, I'm reviving this thread to say I'm looking at adding even more Zoot to the collection. I own most of the Pablo's which are great, IMO. I own a few of his earlier sessions, but many more holes to fill. This thread is a great example of what a valuable resource this place is. All I can say is THANK YOU! Edited February 14, 2016 by Tom 1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 One that hasn't been mentioned so far, I think: John Benson Brooks' "Folk Jazz U.S.A.," with Zoot playing beautifully on alto (listen to him on "Turtle Dove"), Al Cohn on baritone, and Nick Travis on trumpet. It's coupled here with Brooks' excellent "Alabama Concerto," with Art Farmer and Cannonball Adderley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Fresh Sound or clone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Did the guy ever not swing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 13 hours ago, Chuck Nessa said: Fresh Sound or clone? Not sure -- I have both on LP. I do see it on the Fresh Sound site http://www.freshsoundrecords.com/folk_jazz_usa-cd-4670.html but on Amazon it gives the label as "Record". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 11 hours ago, JSngry said: Did the guy ever not swing? Yes, he always did swing, and in 1962 (as above), he could still be in his wheelhouse. But in the period that I think of as vintage for Zoot, he paid darn close attention to the evolving shape of his lines (as below), which IMO was not that much the case in later years, when those shapes pretty much became semi-pre-determined "Zoot-isms," attractive to be sure but not alive the way he is here: More Zoot of the vintage(s) I love: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMyoLoXwZvk (all below from the ’56 Argo album “Zoot,” with John Williams [not the movie guy], Nabil Totah, and Gus Johnson). The "freshness" (for want of a better term) of Zoot at this time is a joy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih_Rr8-x_NY&list=PL4ypuAMic-Gj2hcIlK1oWCQzz3wkLfu8T&index=8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fRSiQY8TZM&list=PL4ypuAMic-Gj2hcIlK1oWCQzz3wkLfu8T&index=6 (on alto) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djeNFZb7yTY&list=PL4ypuAMic-Gj2hcIlK1oWCQzz3wkLfu8T&index=5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 I love Zoot (such rhythmic flexibility!) on Quincy Jones’ “Evening in Paris,” also from 1956, with Herbie Mann, Art Farmer and Milt Jackson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfMGezw2k1Y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Larry Kart said: I love Zoot (such rhythmic flexibility!) on Quincy Jones’ “Evening in Paris,” also from 1956, with Herbie Mann, Art Farmer and Milt Jackson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfMGezw2k1Y This Is How I Feel About Jazz is such a fine album for so many reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 I have a copy of Waiting Game on its way to me, Gary McFarland's arrangements made me even more curious about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted April 1, 2022 Report Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 1/6/2007 at 5:32 AM, brownie said: Not a bad apple in the Pablo Sims basket! Warm Tenor I'm now on a Zoot-Pablo marathon. Zoot The Elder lays down the wisdom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 1, 2022 Report Share Posted April 1, 2022 Yes, they are all really good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 The Gershwin Brothers Currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 Today I noticed I have too little of Zoot Sims and my collections and wanted to ask for recommendarions, but all I need to know is to be found here. Just ordered the Gershwin Brothers SACD, more to follow. Some kind soul had sent me a copy of the expanded CD version of the Bethlehem album - it swings, and George Tucker sounds terrific on that session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 Collect all of Zoot's collaborations with Al Cohn. Here's a list of the CDs I have with him as the primary artist: Zoot Sims Down Home Bethlehem 20 40072 Zoot Sims The Rare Dawn Sessions Biograph 131 Zoot Sims/Bob Brookmeyer Tonite's Music Today Black Lion 760907 Zoot Sims/Bob Brookmeyer Morning Fun Black Lion 760914 Zoot Sims Recado Bossa Nova Ubatuqui/Blue Moon 308 Zoot Sims The Complete 1944-1954 Small Group Sessions Vol. 3 1952-53 Blue Moon 1040 Zoot Sims/Al Cohn/Phil Woods Jazz Alive/A Night At The Half Note Blue Note 4 94105 Zoot Sims Getting Sentimental Candid 71006 Zoot Sims Quartet That Old Feeling Chess 807 Zoot Sims Goes To Jazzville With Dawn/Bluemoon 103 Zoot Sims In a Mellowtone Live at EJ's 103.604 Zoot Sims/Al Cohn Either Way Evidence 22007 Zoot Sims Plays Altos, Tenor and Baritone Fresh Sound 434 Zoot Sims Plays Tenor & 4 Altos Fresh Sound 447 Zoot Sims/Al Cohn Zoot Case Gazell 1021 Zoot Sims/Scott Hamilton It Had to Be You Gemini 101 Zoot Sims Zoot Suite HighNote 7170 Zoot Sims Lost Tapes Baden-Baden - June 23, 1958 Jazzhaus 101710 Sims & Cohn/Shavers & Green Jass 5 Zoot Sims Compatability Jump 12-36 Zoot Sims Only A Rose Koch 6916 Sims, Zoot In Paris Disques Vogue 68207 Sims, Zoot Somebody Loves Me LRC 8514 Zoot Sims Live in Japan 1977 Vol. 1 Marshmallow Export 125 Zoot Sims Live in Japan 1977 Vol. 2 Marshmallow Export 134 Zoot Sims Live in Yamagata Vol. 1 Marshmallow Export 143 Zoot Sims Live in Yamagata Vol. 2 Marshmallow Export 150 Zoot Sims & Kenny Drew Trio In Copenhagen Mobile Fidelity 694 Zoot Sims Quartet Zoot at Ease Mobile Fidelity 842 Zoot Sims Live at the Half Note Naked City 11 Zoot Sims Love For Sale Nagel-Heyer 102 Zoot Sims Quintet Zoot! OJC 228 Zoot Sims Quartets OJC 242 Zoot Sims And the Gershwin Brothers OJC 444 Zoots Sims/Harry Sweets Edison Just Friends OJC 499 Zoot Sims & Joe Pass Blues For Two OJC 635 Zoot Sims/Jimmy Rowles If I'm Lucky OJC 683 Zoot Sims Suddenly It's Spring OJC 742 Zoot Sims Plays Johnny Mandel Quietly There OJC 787 Zoot Sims Hawthorne Nights OJC 830 Zoot Sims The Swinger OJC 855 Zoot Sims Four The Innocent Years OJC 860 Zoot Sims Soprano Sax OJC 902 Zoot Sims I Wish I Were Twins OJC 976 Zoot Sims/Al Cohn/Tony Scott East Coast Sounds OJC 1012 Zoot Sims/Jimmy Rowles Warm Tenor Pablo 2310 831 Zoot Sims For Lady Day Pablo 2310 942 Zoot Sims On The Korner Pablo 2310 953 Zoot Sims/Eddie Lockjaw Davis The Tenor Giants Featuring Oscar Peterson Pablo 2310969$ Zoot Sims + the Joe Castro Trio Live at Falcon Lair Pablo 2310977 Zoot Sims Lover Man - On the West Coast 1954 Sinatra Society of Japan 1067 Zoot Sims/Bucky Pizzarelli Elegaic Storyville 8238 Zoot Sims Live In Philly 32 Jazz 32056 Zoot Sims & Kenny Drew Trio Flower Walts Venus 79036 Other than the Naked City CD, a crappy bootleg, most of the rest are worth acquiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 3 hours ago, mikeweil said: ... but all I need to know is to be found here. Just ordered the Gershwin Brothers SACD, more to follow. You're going to love it! (I don't have the SACD though; just the regular OJC.) Sublime music. Everybody collects in different ways, but I'd recommend, with Zoot, starting with the Pablos and working backward. The early work is good, but the Pablos have so much nuance to them. Oh, and (if you don't have it already) look for Zoot's Argo date, titled ... Zoot! That one is special. I also love the two ABC/Paramount records with overdubs, but I might be in the minority there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 3 hours ago, mikeweil said: Today I noticed I have too little of Zoot Sims and my collections and wanted to ask for recommendarions, but all I need to know is to be found here. Just ordered the Gershwin Brothers SACD, more to follow. Some kind soul had sent me a copy of the expanded CD version of the Bethlehem album - it swings, and George Tucker sounds terrific on that session. Zoot Sims Quartet (Argo) 1957 -- Maybe my favorite album of his, with John Williams and Gus Johnson, both whom add a good deal. Also in this incarnation --Zoot Sims Quartet That Old Feeling (Chess 807) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Larry Kart said: Zoot Sims Quartet (Argo) 1957 -- Maybe my favorite album of his, with John Williams and Gus Johnson, both whom add a good deal. Also in this incarnation --Zoot Sims Quartet That Old Feeling (Chess 807) Trying to locate this. Is it the same as Zoot on Argo, mentioned above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhatta Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 My favorite (and seems rarely talked, and missing in Ken Dryden's great list too) Zoot are these: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Rabshakeh said: Trying to locate this. Is it the same as Zoot on Argo, mentioned above? Zoot on Argo and Zoot on Chess are much the same album. Argo was its LP configuration; it was Chess on CD with added tracks from one of Zoot's ABC-Paramount albums. The Argo album was recorded in 1956, not '57 as I erroneously said above; the bassist was Knobby Totah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 19 hours ago, Ken Dryden said: Collect all of Zoot's collaborations with Al Cohn. Here's a list of the CDs I have with him as the primary artist: Zoot Sims Down Home Bethlehem 20 40072 Zoot Sims The Rare Dawn Sessions Biograph 131 Zoot Sims/Bob Brookmeyer Tonite's Music Today Black Lion 760907 Zoot Sims/Bob Brookmeyer Morning Fun Black Lion 760914 Zoot Sims Recado Bossa Nova Ubatuqui/Blue Moon 308 Zoot Sims The Complete 1944-1954 Small Group Sessions Vol. 3 1952-53 Blue Moon 1040 Zoot Sims/Al Cohn/Phil Woods Jazz Alive/A Night At The Half Note Blue Note 4 94105 Zoot Sims Getting Sentimental Candid 71006 Zoot Sims Quartet That Old Feeling Chess 807 Zoot Sims Goes To Jazzville With Dawn/Bluemoon 103 Zoot Sims In a Mellowtone Live at EJ's 103.604 Zoot Sims/Al Cohn Either Way Evidence 22007 Zoot Sims Plays Altos, Tenor and Baritone Fresh Sound 434 Zoot Sims Plays Tenor & 4 Altos Fresh Sound 447 Zoot Sims/Al Cohn Zoot Case Gazell 1021 Zoot Sims/Scott Hamilton It Had to Be You Gemini 101 Zoot Sims Zoot Suite HighNote 7170 Zoot Sims Lost Tapes Baden-Baden - June 23, 1958 Jazzhaus 101710 Sims & Cohn/Shavers & Green Jass 5 Zoot Sims Compatability Jump 12-36 Zoot Sims Only A Rose Koch 6916 Sims, Zoot In Paris Disques Vogue 68207 Sims, Zoot Somebody Loves Me LRC 8514 Zoot Sims Live in Japan 1977 Vol. 1 Marshmallow Export 125 Zoot Sims Live in Japan 1977 Vol. 2 Marshmallow Export 134 Zoot Sims Live in Yamagata Vol. 1 Marshmallow Export 143 Zoot Sims Live in Yamagata Vol. 2 Marshmallow Export 150 Zoot Sims & Kenny Drew Trio In Copenhagen Mobile Fidelity 694 Zoot Sims Quartet Zoot at Ease Mobile Fidelity 842 Zoot Sims Live at the Half Note Naked City 11 Zoot Sims Love For Sale Nagel-Heyer 102 Zoot Sims Quintet Zoot! OJC 228 Zoot Sims Quartets OJC 242 Zoot Sims And the Gershwin Brothers OJC 444 Zoots Sims/Harry Sweets Edison Just Friends OJC 499 Zoot Sims & Joe Pass Blues For Two OJC 635 Zoot Sims/Jimmy Rowles If I'm Lucky OJC 683 Zoot Sims Suddenly It's Spring OJC 742 Zoot Sims Plays Johnny Mandel Quietly There OJC 787 Zoot Sims Hawthorne Nights OJC 830 Zoot Sims The Swinger OJC 855 Zoot Sims Four The Innocent Years OJC 860 Zoot Sims Soprano Sax OJC 902 Zoot Sims I Wish I Were Twins OJC 976 Zoot Sims/Al Cohn/Tony Scott East Coast Sounds OJC 1012 Zoot Sims/Jimmy Rowles Warm Tenor Pablo 2310 831 Zoot Sims For Lady Day Pablo 2310 942 Zoot Sims On The Korner Pablo 2310 953 Zoot Sims/Eddie Lockjaw Davis The Tenor Giants Featuring Oscar Peterson Pablo 2310969$ Zoot Sims + the Joe Castro Trio Live at Falcon Lair Pablo 2310977 Zoot Sims Lover Man - On the West Coast 1954 Sinatra Society of Japan 1067 Zoot Sims/Bucky Pizzarelli Elegaic Storyville 8238 Zoot Sims Live In Philly 32 Jazz 32056 Zoot Sims & Kenny Drew Trio Flower Walts Venus 79036 Other than the Naked City CD, a crappy bootleg, most of the rest are worth acquiring. After looking over Ken's fine list of CDs by Zoot Sims, I compared it to what I have. There were a few I am missing. Also discovered that I have some not on Ken's list: Jazz Mission to Moscow - Colpix 50064 Zoot Sims - live in Louisville - Gambit 69335 Zoot Sims et Henri Renaud (many other musicians) - Gitanes 013 037-2 Zoot Sims in Paris 1956 (Quintet w. Jon Eardley) - Jazztime 22 Zoot Sims - In Paris (Quartet) - Liberty 6244 Zoot Sims - Passion flower - Pablo OJCCD 939-2 Sims - Brookmeyer / Eldridge-Kamuca - Pumpkin 107 & 108 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 Zoot heard to many good advantages on that Benny Goodman Moscow record. He probably gets more space than anybody except the leader and none of it is wasted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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