Norm Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 I just put The Miles Davis Quintet's Steamin' in after a long hiatus. When I hit track 2, "Salt Peanuts," I was totally blown away by the drum solo. Having heard Blakey's version of "Night in Tunisia" and "Drum Thunder" I thought for sure it must be him, only to look it up and discover this is Philly Joe Jones. Not only powerful and loud but extremely intricate and innovative. Holy Mackeral, that sounds good! Also, nice piano work on this album by Red Garland. It appears that I totally underestimated this album before. I've picked up Cookin', Steamin' and Relaxin' so I guess I should just go ahead and get Walkin' and Workin' ...doesn't seem like you can do wrong with these early Miles dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 I just put The Miles Davis Quintet's Steamin' in after a long hiatus. When I hit track 2, "Salt Peanuts," I was totally blown away by the drum solo. Having heard Blakey's version of "Night in Tunisia" and "Drum Thunder" I thought for sure it must be him, only to look it up and discover this is Philly Joe Jones. Not only powerful and loud but extremely intricate and innovative. Holy Mackeral, that sounds good! Also, nice piano work on this album by Red Garland. It appears that I totally underestimated this album before. I've picked up Cookin', Steamin' and Relaxin' so I guess I should just go ahead and get Walkin' and Workin' ...doesn't seem like you can do wrong with these early Miles dates. be aware that walkin' does not belong into this series, it has a rhythm section of horace silver, pery heath and kenny clarke and different horn sections including the great lucky thompson and dave schildkraut... if you don't have it, miles' round midnight on columbia, also with the first quintet, is one to get... and there is of course an endless list of worthy dates featuring philly joe jones... e.g. the early coltrane albums with garland/chambers/jones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted November 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 I just put The Miles Davis Quintet's Steamin' in after a long hiatus. When I hit track 2, "Salt Peanuts," I was totally blown away by the drum solo. Having heard Blakey's version of "Night in Tunisia" and "Drum Thunder" I thought for sure it must be him, only to look it up and discover this is Philly Joe Jones. Not only powerful and loud but extremely intricate and innovative. Holy Mackeral, that sounds good! Also, nice piano work on this album by Red Garland. It appears that I totally underestimated this album before. I've picked up Cookin', Steamin' and Relaxin' so I guess I should just go ahead and get Walkin' and Workin' ...doesn't seem like you can do wrong with these early Miles dates. be aware that walkin' does not belong into this series, it has a rhythm section of horace silver, pery heath and kenny clarke and different horn sections including the great lucky thompson and dave schildkraut... if you don't have it, miles' round midnight on columbia, also with the first quintet, is one to get... and there is of course an endless list of worthy dates featuring philly joe jones... e.g. the early coltrane albums with garland/chambers/jones... Thanks, Niko. I had just assumed Walkin' used the same personnel because of the one-word album title and use of an the apostraphe for "g" on the end. Thanks for the heads up. Yes, I picked up the Sony Legacy 2-disc edition of Round Midnight (2005) a little while back and love it. I guess I've probably heard a decent amount of stuff with Philly Joe Jones, but had never paid attention before. You mentioned those dates with Trane, Garland and Chambers...I'm assuming that most if not all are captured on the recently-released Side Steps compilation. I'm going to have to pay more attention to rhythm section as I listen to the relevant selections. That drumming on "Salt Peanuts" is just out of sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat5 Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Check out "Billy Boy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Check out "Billy Boy" That's the trio track on "Milestones" (Columbia), right? "Ahmad's Blues" (the trio feature on "Workin'") is fun, too! More prime Philly Joe can be heard on "Sonny Clark Trio" (Blue Note, with Paul Chambers). The same trio with Jackie MacLean and Art Farmer cut Clark's classic "Soul Struttin'" (Blue Note as well). On many of the Coltrane sessions, btw, Art Taylor's on drums. Philly Joe would have been better, musically, but I guess his "issues" got the better of him too often, and he wasn't Prestige's (nor Blue Note's) preferred session drummer, alas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 He was also possibly on the road more than Art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Check out "Billy Boy" And Two Bass Hit from the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 and he wasn't Prestige's (nor Blue Note's) preferred session drummer, alas. ...but he was Riverside's house drummer (or almost), appearing on dozens of albums for the label including three under his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 He also made a very nice album in 1978 for Galaxy - "Drum song" - with Blue Mitchell, Slide Hampton, Harold Land, Charles Bowen, Cedar Walton & Marc Johnson. I think that was reissued on OJC. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 That's "Cool Struttin,'" not "Soul Struttin.'" PJJ, PC, and SC are a fantastic team on the title track, amazingly compositional in the way they shift from one rhythmic feel to another as the mood and the soloists require. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmonahan Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Check out "Billy Boy" One of Red Garland's finest hours, IMHO. gregmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 and he wasn't Prestige's (nor Blue Note's) preferred session drummer, alas. ...but he was Riverside's house drummer (or almost), appearing on dozens of albums for the label including three under his name. I wasn't aware he was on so many Riverside sessions! He also made a very nice album in 1978 for Galaxy - "Drum song" - with Blue Mitchell, Slide Hampton, Harold Land, Charles Bowen, Cedar Walton & Marc Johnson. I think that was reissued on OJC. MG Yes, I have that, I think it was reissued by Fantasy, not strictly an OJC. That's "Cool Struttin,'" not "Soul Struttin.'" PJJ, PC, and SC are a fantastic team on the title track, amazingly compositional in the way they shift from one rhythmic feel to another as the mood and the soloists require. Of course! That was a typo... I love "Cool Struttin'", but I think I love "Trio" even more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 I love "Cool Struttin'", but I think I love "Trio" even more! Me too. The trio is my favourite Sonny Clark. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Philly Joe can also be heard a number of sessions by Bill Evans. "Art Pepper Meets The Rhythm Section" on Contemporary is also a terrific recording that has Phiily Joe, Red Garland and Paul Chambers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Always dug Philly's playing on Hank Mobley's "No Room For Squares", Freddie Hubbard "Goin' Up", Kenny Dorham "Whistle Stop". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Always dug Philly's playing on Hank Mobley's "No Room For Squares", Freddie Hubbard "Goin' Up", Kenny Dorham "Whistle Stop". ...and Lee Morgan's The Cooker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Philly Joe was Bill Evans' favorite drummer, and in the '70s they did some recording together - Evans wanted to make him part of the trio, but unfortunately Jones was having too many "personal problems," as they used to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Always dug Philly's playing on Hank Mobley's "No Room For Squares", Freddie Hubbard "Goin' Up", Kenny Dorham "Whistle Stop". PJJ is in great form on Hubbard's "Hub Cap," too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Always dug Philly's playing on Hank Mobley's "No Room For Squares" ...... He's fantastic on that one! I'm sorry I never saw him live. I went to a Frankfurt club shortly before his death to see him, but he had cancelled the gig earlier that day, that was when his health started to decline rapidly ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 there's a terrific lp/cd of work he did with some British hard boppers (released on Black Lion; I think it had Peter King). Great session, shows them Brits can swing if you kick their arses - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Yeah, Trailways Express. That's a fine, fine LP. Kenny Wheeler, Ron Matthewson, Harold McNair, Mike Pyne... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Check out "Billy Boy" And Two Bass Hit from the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted November 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Not that it matters, but just wondering if "personal matters" is code for "drug problems" in this case. Only asking because several people have brought it up tangentially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffcrom Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Not that it matters, but just wondering if "personal matters" is code for "drug problems" in this case. Only asking because several people have brought it up tangentially. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 More prime Philly Joe can be heard on "Sonny Clark Trio" (Blue Note, with Paul Chambers). What Philly Joe plays on this record just kills me every time. Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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