Black Saint/Soul Note Box Sets

[JSngry]

You'll be glad you did. Hemphill was a boss.

[xybert]

Been listening to a lot of this stuff on the Cam jazz site and the one that is most eye-opening for me is the bill Dixon. I'd avoided most of his black saint stuff previously, finding what I'd heard just too out there. Loved his stuff on savoy and RCA but the bs stuff just didn't move me. Listening more closely Im getting a different picture - a lot of quiet artistry going on. Anybody else getting a new appreciation for any of the musicians in this series?

I gained a new appreciation for eighties era Jimmy Giuffre. I gained greater appreciation for Joe Lovano via the Motian set. Was pleasantly surprised by some of the stuff on the Muhal set, admiration increased.

I'm feeling the same way about the Muhal. Really enjoying it.

Any thoughts on the Julius Hemphill set? Listened to some of it on the Cam jazz site and what I heard sounded very interesting.

Yeah as the others have said the Hemphill is awesome. A nice mix of material too... I always seem to have one of the albums from this set on my ipod at any given time... currently Flat Out Jump Suite, which is a great album that gets better everytime i hear it. Cheers.

[Guy Berger]

Definitely getting the Lyons. On the fence re Sun Ra and Chico. And with the Blackwell - is it worth getting if I already have the magnificent duet album with Dewey Redman (if you don't - get this box!!!!) and the two O&ND albums?

[blind-blake]

Been listening to a lot of this stuff on the Cam jazz site and the one that is most eye-opening for me is the bill Dixon. I'd avoided most of his black saint stuff previously, finding what I'd heard just too out there. Loved his stuff on savoy and RCA but the bs stuff just didn't move me. Listening more closely Im getting a different picture - a lot of quiet artistry going on. Anybody else getting a new appreciation for any of the musicians in this series?

I gained a new appreciation for eighties era Jimmy Giuffre. I gained greater appreciation for Joe Lovano via the Motian set. Was pleasantly surprised by some of the stuff on the Muhal set, admiration increased.

I'm feeling the same way about the Muhal. Really enjoying it.

Any thoughts on the Julius Hemphill set? Listened to some of it on the Cam jazz site and what I heard sounded very interesting.

Yeah as the others have said the Hemphill is awesome. A nice mix of material too... I always seem to have one of the albums from this set on my ipod at any given time... currently Flat Out Jump Suite, which is a great album that gets better everytime i hear it. Cheers.

Thanks man

[colinmce]

Definitely getting the Lyons. On the fence re Sun Ra and Chico. And with the Blackwell - is it worth getting if I already have the magnificent duet album with Dewey Redman (if you don't - get this box!!!!) and the two O&ND albums?

Yes!

Every note from Ed Blackwell is precious-- you could get by listening to any album just because he's on it. Walls & Bridges, though, is especially good and is presented in its rare two-disc incarnation.

[king ubu]

[jazzbo]

Thanks for posting those Flurin.

[StarThrower]

Trovesi, Lacy, and Hamilton for this listener.

[David Ayers]

On the subject of Old and New Dreams I see that the two ECMs are slated for re-release. Probably straight reprints but maybe part of the remastering program, who knows.

As you were.

[Clunky]

I'm sure I'd love most of these but I struggle to buy music by the kilo.

[Van Basten II]

Have no qualms about it, just waiting for a better price, as great as the music, the poor quality of the presentation stops me from wanting to pay top dollar for these...

[StarThrower]

I'm sure the prices will come down. I can wait. It would be highly beneficial to the listener if they included a booklet with readable type, but I guess it's not going to happen.

[7/4]

I'm sure the prices will come down. I can wait. It would be highly beneficial to the listener if they included a booklet with readable type, but I guess it's not going to happen.

Probably not.

It's been pointed out many times they could make pdf liner notes available on line for everybody. Important historical documents and even a fly would have a hard time reading it.

[clifford_thornton]

The only one I'm not already flush with is the Trovesi, so that one I'll be checking out.

[Van Basten II]

Weirdly , that be the one who I'd pick first...

[A Lark Ascending]

To my mind the Trovesi records here are much more enjoyable than the ones he's done for ECM. I'm not an ECM naysayer - love the label for all sorts of reasons - but have never felt they've captured his folksiness and playfulness in the way these records did.

They are out there on Spotify if you want to try before you buy.

Edited September 6, 2014 by A Lark Ascending

[Guy Berger]

On the subject of Old and New Dreams I see that the two ECMs are slated for re-release. Probably straight reprints but maybe part of the remastering program, who knows.

As you were.

Great! I have never heard PLAYING.

[Steve Reynolds]

And I have no idea what those last 5 albums listed on the Trovesi set.

Does anyone know anything about any of them????

Are they his dates and are they very old Europe only Soul Note recordings?

I've never seen these listed anywhere

Edited September 7, 2014 by Steve Reynolds

[Niko]

According to Trovesi's homepage, Cinque ... and Baghet are early (ca 1980) Trovesi albums on Dischi della Quercia (not Soul Note), Electric Five and Missa are Sideman appearances on BSSN (with Enrico Rava and Alfredo Impulliti), the last one (Nivola) is a more recent (2002) sideman appearance with Marco Remondini

Edited September 7, 2014 by Niko

[king ubu]

Remondini was a regular Trovesi sideman at some point, "Electric Five" is duplicated between this and the Rava set (and it's good no great, I'd say), don't think I've ever heard of Alfredo Impulliti ...

Anyway, re: Trovesi on ECM, I guess I agree - the Trovesi/Coscia on Egea is better than their ECMs I've heard. But add Enja to the game, if only for "Round About a Midsummer's Dream" - that, to me, is probably one of the finest jazz albums of the nineties.

[Steve Reynolds]

Thanks to Niko & Ubu

I'll get the box for a holiday gift for myself at year end

[clifford_thornton]

only Trovesi LP I have is this one, but it's a corker:

http://www.discogs.com/AR-Penck-Peter-Kowald-Gianluigi-Trovesi-Free-Jazz/release/2218825

[king ubu]

Only LP you have? Only Trovesi you have? Only Trovesi you know?

If either of the latter two, do change that! How about Italian Instabile Orchestra?

[StarThrower]

How about Italian Instabile Orchestra?

I bought their Litania Sibilante CD many years ago, but never really took to it. I love modern big bands, and they are amazing players, but it's a bit too hyper technical and over the top for my taste.

[colinmce]

Putting a plug in for the Dave Douglas box set: 3 albums with his Dresser or Gress/Friedlander/Feldman/Sarin group, including the incomparable Convergence; ROVA's "Ascension"; a Tim Berne-produced Mark Dresser date; and a John Lindberg date w/ Ed Thigpen, Douglas, & Larry Ochs. Which is to say the set is split equally between state-of-the-art 1990's NYC Downtown music and some of what was happening on the West Coast at the same time. Great variety on here and this is when Douglas was on fire. The writing on the leader dates is superb and the improvisations on the sideman dates are incisive. A joy from top to bottom, and one of the essential sets in this series IMO.